MAD MEN on AMC - Season 6

yeah i kind of hate don. when he implied that meghan's job was comparable to a "prostitue" because she had a love scene, i wanted to punch him in his stupid, squinty-eyed, misogynistic face

This season is pretty dull so far.

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this ep was kind of boring

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Monday, July 26, 2010 11:53 AM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

kind of a boring episode. was afraid there was going to be a Mother's Little Helper montage for a second. also lol fat betty

― You big bully, why are you hitting that little bully? (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, April 2, 2012 11:25 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

just fuck the dicks in advertising and dull 'period' TV shows about them

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:26 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah super enjoyed tonight's episode. don really is such a monster now but i did like seeing everyone in the bar after the ketchup pitches (btw i totally get why peggy's pitch won but i think i liked don's better, which definitely wasn't the case w/ draper v ginsburg last year), peggy enjoying teddy busting pete's balls and enjoying draper getting the last word over teddy even more. relieved stan isn't getting any fallout from the leak apparently, love that dude. joan's been that queen bee since episode one and firing someone, esp someone as replaceable as a secretary, over an offense like that would hardly be ott imo. kinda annoyed that they undermined her tbh. i'm assuming that she's assumed lane's responsibilities. good to see joan have a girl's night out. between that club scene and stan's jacket i was getting midnight cowboy vibes. christina hendricks on screen and serge gainsbourg on screen, my goodness.

I kind of thought, with the Joan as office manager thing, was that it's not her job anymore, she has all her partner duties to do, etc. And so she shouldn't be going around firing secretaries (why Harry's "this is my department" thing). She's got her new job, but she still wants to rule over the secretaries, when someone else should be doing that job.

I might just still be kind of a sucker but Don still doesn't scan as monstrous to me. He's compulsive and toxic and an adulterer but I would reserve "monstrous" for Pete the serial rapist.

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I think Don is less monstrous than he is just kind of sad and gross at this point.

Maybe it's too obvious, but Joan is practically powerless at the partner's meetings, and is essentially working as their secretary, so she wants to use some power to fire secretaries.

haha well there are degrees. just when he was being such an asshole to meghan in the dressing room (and then the cut to him bedding lindsey weir ugh what a sleaze) i thought he was much less likeable to me now than he was even when he was getting slapped around by whores. i know ppl are going to always hate betty but she is in such a better marriage now and the little bit we've seen of her this season at least she seemed actually happy.

Was I the only one to see Dawn & friend meeting in that all-black club & immediately assume "aha, MLK assassination episode"?

yes, I just saw them meeting in the all-black restaurant and thought "oh my god, Matt Weiner put a scene entirely full of black folks on the show"

slightly too early for mlk assasination i think, my guess is weiner wanting to develop dawn character more to setup that episode. was kinda thinking that maybe that's what meghan was crying over in the 'next week on mad men' promo and then thought better of trying to glean any kind of info from those things.

(btw i totally get why peggy's pitch won but i think i liked don's better,

peggy's pitch didn't win, a bigger agency won it.

hoping dawn becomes a copy writer and makes $$$$

hoping she become Angela Davis

Pete's pronunciation of "Negroes" might be more offensive than his serial raping.

J Walter Thompson won the pitch. JWT still had Heinz I think.

Yeah, I thought Peggy didn't win that one either.

I swear I've seen both Heinz ads, though...were those pitches actual campaigns at some point?

by at least one account, advertising

def advertising. film industry. probably some tech startups too, I wouldn't be at all surprised.

I swear I've seen both Heinz ads, though...were those pitches actual campaigns at some point?

the photography on don's pitch looked like contemporary carl's jr. ads (extreme CU of burger against white).

loved the fontwork on peggy's. v. period.

loved seeing swinging Ted McGinley. Megan continues to look totally hideous/frightening esp when done-up in the more expensive clothes of the period.

think Don is less monstrous than he is just kind of sad and gross at this point.

I would be curious what various people predict is in store for Harry

LOVE Cooper's "I was unlike you in every way" zinger. also Cooper's office.

Harry will get his. The show's been pretty good about comeuppance in most cases.

v much agree, don is super uninteresting right now

he's being left behind, stuck in his same old patterns

idg the complaints about recent eps being boring. I love Mad Men but it's always had boring stretches. I started watching the show late so I binged on the first few seasons, watching multiple episodes a night and I think that made up for the boring parts.

but scenes of don smoking a joint in an office with tinfoiled windows and talking about hotdogs, or joan going to the electric circus and hearing bonnie & clyde >>>> the endless scenes of betty's suburban ennui that filled up the first few seasons.

well, yeah, THIS episode.

there were some moments, but mostly at this point I'm watching for the comedy, which is very funny, and the continued loathesomeness of Pete Campbell.

"joan going to the electric circus and hearing bonnie & clyde"

this was a little "the 60s: the miniseries" no?

I swear people just completely forget what this show is like between seasons

? care to explain ?

were Americans really even aware of Gainsbourg in '68 (serious question). I mean, that song wasn't a hit, was it?

ama I just think that this show has always been boring/soapish/omg60sish, and it's lol to hear the same things every season as people reacclimate to this show being all those things just like it was before

you're the sort of guy who jumps into pools without dipping your toe

'je t'aime moi non plus' was a minor hit in the us (huge hit in the uk), i could imagine hipsters being aware of 'bonnie and clyde', plus using it is a twofer for period refs. scene might've been irredeemably ott if joan had met brigid berlin and they'd had a bitch off or something but as is it didn't seem too the 60s: the miniseries, the show generally does a good enough job of letting us know that 'the 60s' is something that isn't happening to these ppl that i'll cut it slack when it acknowledges the big 60s. was also just happy to see joan wearing something flattering again.

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were Americans really even aware of Gainsbourg in '68 (serious question). I mean, that song wasn't a hit, was it?

not a hit but in the context of Electric Circus and an art-rock, Velvet Underground type of crowd and music policy I think it's plausible someone would know it

I think Serge got more (in)famous when Je T'aime was banned but that wasn't until later

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my fave period note 'god it must be fun to work on that show' detail was the greeting card

this was a little "the 60s: the miniseries" no?

but that's the only reason I watch this show!

The '60s did not really happen in the same way as we're given to believe for a lot of people who were born just a few years 'too soon'. My mom kind of resents heading straight out to work after graduating, thusly missing a chance to be part of some new wave of whatever.

i liked that joan seemed out of place and kinda square there but still game. everyone's don draper hanging out w/ beatniks now.

My mom kind of resents heading straight out to work after graduating, thusly missing a chance to be part of some new wave of whatever.

My mom, the Rush Limbaugh fan, agrees.

This is the root of all the early-boomer resentment filling Rupert Murdoch's pockets, I think. People who continued their studies or didn't climb on a treadmill of really boring lower-middle-class jobs aren't quite so Rush-receptive.

if you look at average yearbook from 68 or 69 you're going to see way more crewcuts than longhairs, the 60s doesn't really arrive and root itself in middle america until the 70s. hippies are something they see destroying america on tv (and love reagan for standing up to and making jokes about them), the closest direct connection is fear yr daughter will runaway and join them (i've always wondered if there was an actual wave of runaways in the late 60s/early 70s or if the numbers didn't really budge dramatically there was just new hysteria/focus from media and parents and a root cause they could point to - 'san francisco'; i know that dean corll was able to get away w/ his killings for so long cuz houston pd at the time just habitually chalked up missing children to runaway).

have you guys thumbed through copies of old JC Penny's catalogs? The reifying of sixties fashion doesn't happen until '72: when Dad wears plaid and doesn't trim his sideburns while Mom pours three gallons of mayonnaise in the olive loaf mix.

i mean betty draper looking for sally's non-prodigy friend amongst the hippies was part character beat for betty but also addressing the atmosphere that led to movies like joe.

interesting interview - http://cup.columbia.edu/static/Interview-Staller-Karen

yeah my inlaws have a big chip on their shoulder against an imagined stereotype of california trust fund hippie kids partying while they were already being responsible adults (had a kid at age 17). It's a weird resentment though because it's not like the age or the kid was holding them back. even if they grew up on haight street and turned 18 in 1967 they would still be squares.