MAD MEN on AMC - Season 6

the comedian referenced in tonight's Mad Men episode is Milt Kamen. He was on with guest host Phyllis Diller on 12/22/67.

Milt Kamen might have been on that episode, but he didn't tell that joke:

The Tonight Show episode that the characters reference on the episode is very real: A quick look through TV Guide Magazine's archives proves that Phyllis Diller did indeed guest host for Johnny Carson on Friday, Dec. 22, 1967. "Johnny does not host during the holidays," Weiner notes. "We actually had a line, cut for time, in which Peggy asked her co-worker if Phyllis invited the comedian to sit over on the couch." Weiner wanted to stress the cultural impact of The Tonight Show at the time and why a joke on the show would cause Peggy's client to freak out. "I can't even explain it to young people what a universal experience it was [when] people watched [Tonight]," Weiner says.

But here's the creative license: Weiner says he doesn't actually have evidence of a comedian on that Diller-hosted Tonight Show making such a joke about the war. "I hope it's not disappointing to people," Weiner says. "This is based on reality but the scenario is not real. The court martial really happened and there really was this event. And there were quite a few instances of comedians talking about the war on The Tonight Show and clients being very upset."

that was not Linda Cardellini guys come on

I didn't recognize her at all, but her name was in the credits.

She's also 37 IRL, so kid-in-college isn't inconceivable.

it was totally linda and she was gr8

wow that is crazy

funny how we were just complaining about her shitty post F&G career

pretty good episode. man 2 hours is a lot to take in. loved the scene where they asked the SCDP creative guy (Stan?) whether the Hawaii ad made him think of death: "Yeah man, that's why it was so AWESOME."

what was with that scene between Betty and Henry in bed after the girl played the violin?! just go hold her arms down and put a rag in her mouth. wtf was supposed to be going through Betty's head when she said that stuff

yeah that was pretty jaw dropping, Betty's bizarre-o rape fantasy

was I the only one thinking of this ridiculous movie during Betty's search for violin girl

thought it was clever structure that the opening quick flash of the heart attack made you think "is Don dead?" during the first part of the Hawaii sequence (plus he didn't speak for like the first 15 minutes). then he presents the ad and you see that while he was in Hawaii Don was thinking "am I dead?"

"I smell creativity in here"

Betty's weirdo rapey chat with Henry notwithstanding, I thought the creepiest bit was Harry perving on Roger's daughter.

roger in analysis is a gold mine for lols this season

it made me wonder why Roger would even begin analysis in the first place, absent somebody browbeating him into it

but yeah it does bring the lolz

otm to daria way upthread -- totally getting major Don vibes from Peggy's input with the creatives

yes I love Rog in analysis

a gif of Peggy's underlings doing their "Three Ideas" needs to happen.

lol

this bob fellow

what is his deal

can't decide if he's just a sad kiss-ass or if his ambition will make him do something really nasty to someone

thought it was interesting that, after Ken browbeats him in front of the secretary, he doesn't lash out at her to try and regain his dominance like, say, Pete might have back in the day.

I spent most of the episode thinking that Bob was pretending to work for SCDP

loved betty in the big city.

i know it's way premature, but this is feeling a bit off - not as confident in itself or something.

Agreed, the writing didn't seem as sharp as usual.

also yeah I could not get over Betty's insane rape comment, she just kept going and going with it! look forward to someone trying to do a thorough analysis of it as it relates to the rest of Betty's plotline this ep.

i know it's way premature, but this is feeling a bit off - not as confident in itself or something.

Agreed, the writing didn't seem as sharp as usual.
― DavidM, Monday, April 8, 2013

And a real paucity of new ideas; lotta retread miles now. I imagine quality is gonna veer from meh to wow as it did last season.

Yeah, a lot of the scenes in this opener seemed very familiar; they're just spinning the wheels at this point. I did like the Hawaiian prologue, though.

the doc skiing through the streets of Manhattan was a nice little weird scene

I thought it was weird that they'd introduce all these new characters...like there weren't already enough that could be developed? I kept yelling "I don't care about sally's violin playing friend, isn't there more growing sally needs to do?"

sally was on fire though, love her whole surly teen thing

well they can't have Sally running away in the first episode of the season

what year is it?

Presumably xmas 1967.

Yes.

That was Linda Cardellini. I'm always happy to see her in anything.

― Johnny Fever, Sunday, April 7, 2013 11:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Looking forward to Don singing Styx' "Lady" to her.

lolol

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Royal-Hawaiian-Hotel-A-Sheraton-Hotel-Waikiki-HI-Honolulu-Co-Postcard-/200719212104

Don takes Linda Cardellini down to the basement to show her his amazing Neal Peart drumkit

loved the scene where they asked the SCDP creative guy (Stan?) whether the Hawaii ad made him think of death: "Yeah man, that's why it was so AWESOME."

Stan is becoming my favorite character.

Stan and Ginsberg are so good, I love them

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Sheraton-Hotels-Hawaii-Bikini-Girl-on-Beach-Ad-/400456845355?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d3d16882b

curious about the new woman in the creative room tbh

I spent most of the episode thinking that Bob was pretending to work for SCDP

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, April 8, 2013 10:09 AM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I never legitimately thought this was what was going on, but I sure thought it would be hilarious if it were.

Sally on fire otm. Did she have any spotlight time in s1 that suggested she'd become a central character, or did it all just grow out of Kiernan Shipka being pretty great at this?

Surprised nobody's complained about how "on the nose" using the opening lines of Inferno was.

Roger in therapy was brilliant and fits his character arc.

Betty rape thing was wtf but pretty funny too. I felt it was a bit of a stretch that Betty's new man would fancy such a young looking person, maybe badly cast if she was meant to be at the cusp of adulthood.

And agree about Glen. Really funny.

The whole pitch Don made was funny too.

Good return IMO, I don't expect much to happen and it didn't.

Is there some gay subplot coming with Don's doctor buddy?

the bobby swapping in this series is becoming hilarious

I hope they start doing it mid-episode

Jew doctor basically looks like Matt Weiner, wonder if he wanted to cast himself

I felt it was a bit of a stretch that Betty's new man would fancy such a young looking person

this is a guy who perved out on pregnant Betty so I dunno, him being into it seemed more natural than Betty being into some rape-play

the bobby swapping in this series is becoming hilarious

I hope they start doing it mid-episode

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, April 8, 2013 2:52 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

They should do it mid-shot. Have another actor tap "Bobby" on the shoulder and switch places.