Pauline Kael

I need this. My bf says I don't.

http://www.zazzle.com/pauline_kael_t_shirts-235070180399309631

Your bf is wrong.

I know I should just be happy this exists, but I wish it looked better--wish it had her picture, for one thing. A friend bought me the Scorsese T-shirt from that director series a few years back, which had similar lettering. I wish she'd gotten me the Bela Tarr one instead, rendered like Black Flag.

wish it had her picture, for one thing

We REALLY don't agree on aesthetics much, do we?

Sometimes; not often. It's more the font I don't like. But I think Kael had a great face; I'd enjoy having one person after another ask me who the woman is.

http://members.tripod.com/phildellio/kael.gif

?! That font is hottt. Best of all her book covers, really.

You know, I completely missed that that indeed is her font--I was thinking it was taken from a metal band, like my Scorsese T-shirt. Okay, I'll meet you halfway: picture plus a different font. I'm a '70s guy, so I'd like some lowercase bubble letters.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-M3mmFJxT20o/TqxveGjft9I/AAAAAAAAMP4/CFkOHO7Cr-g/s400/317904.jpg

ok, i'm sick of her.

Get better: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/24/movies/homevideo/new-dvds-wheeler-and-woolseys-rko-comedy-classics.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

heh! actually, aside from one or two -- Hips Hips Hooray, Diplomaniacs -- Bert & Bob's movies are all p much the same, and don't bear rewatching. But thx, honeybunch.

Redford knows why she hated him:

http://www.esquire.com/features/robert-redford-interview-0413-2

I like and agree with the Woody Allen line.

Kael was also bitch enough

o rlly

man i love that the actors who seem most bitter about kael are redford and streep - two people who really got held back

esquire natch. love many redford films but he was basically a blond gregory peck who needed to work alongside a more talented, fun actor (newman, hoffman, fonda) to show any kind of spark.

Ouch. You might be right though. Some of his directorial work OK maybe.

well croup, you don't read interviews with actors who were held back.

what failed actors who were held back by a negative kael review are you thinking of

How would I know? She skewered Kevin Costner pretty thoroughly, and look at him now...

Redford has a sort of spark in The Candidate, but I guess Peter Boyle is Mr Fun in that?

yeah. i've never seen the way we were, how is he in that. possibility exists in my mind he might not measure up to ryan o'neal.

what failed actors who were held back by a negative kael review are you thinking of

― da croupier, Monday, April 29, 2013 9:10 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

morbs was saying your comment was colored by selection bias

I've liked Redford in The Candidate, ATPM, Brubaker, and (lol) Legal Eagles, where he kinda loosened up and said fuck it I'm a movie star goddamnit (same with Sneakers).

Legal Eagles? Really?

the character is kind of a zero (unless yer a nice Jewish girl who adores WASPs maybe). It's centered on Barbra.

xxxp

morbs was saying your comment was colored by selection bias
dacroupier's fallacy

I liked Legal Eagles too! didn't Winger loosen him up?

I think you guys are underestimatiing him a little. Imagine 3 Days of the Condor with Tom Cruise instead.

(very low whisper) I remember him being kind of amusing in Barefoot in the Park.

LE is fun trash.

Quiz Show preserves his WASP-ish conflicts better than his acting choices.

Brad Pitt's becoming more interesting to watch now that he's not so damn hung up on perceptions about his looks (which like Redford's are nothing special to me).

I thought Redford was fun in The Sting, but I've never gotten particularly attached to him in any way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NVf-9cgrAE

i mean yeah people who still get interviewed are more likely to get to give their two cents about a critic who didn't like them, but I don't think the degree of their desire to not just dismiss but disqualify her opinion of them is any less ironic for it. I've read a lot of anecdotes about Pauline Kael positive and negative and theirs really stand out.

I don't think it's a coincidence that these are two people who haven't really had to deal with a lot of slings and arrows

clem i repped for barefoot in the park above sorta. never saw legal eagles, daryl hannah repelled more than debra winger could attract me. HUGE sneakers fan but man talk about more talented, fun costars. i probably am underrating him (may be working out something, butch and sundance is my dad's favorite movie)(redford's a better actor than katharine ross fwiw), he's better than gregory peck not as good as say brad pitt. i'd put him slightly over cruise but no way in hell am i watching that iraq war movie they made to test my ranking.

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i always thought redford had more going for him than PK let on. not an all-time great but the guy's likable

I could be wrong but Kael was the only critic who consistently held her nose while watching Streep's Oscar nom-affirmed eighties work (A Cry in the Dark the exception). And tbh Roger Ebert fell for most of Streep perfs without thinking twice.

surprise!

If Redford has a role as fun as Gregory Peck's in Duel In The Sun I haven't seen it.

Always liked PK's "radio performance" dis of Streep's Sophie.

what about Redford as Death on The Twilight Zone?

he was good on twilight zone but yknow not shatner good

Daryl Hannah as performance artist in LE really needs to be seen

what about Hannah as artist below?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knVbfhmME1g

Redford's way stiff for my tastes but he's never really hurt or helped a movie that I've seen

Was wondering when the Twilight Zone card was gonna get played.

tbh when I think Eighties Film "Meryl Streep" is the first name to knock me to sleep.

Kael retired just before Defending Your Life, I think. I wonder if she would have come around some there--I think Streep's really sweet and funny in that.

I liked her in the Carrie Fisher movie, Postcards From the Edge.

never got the feeling she thought Streep lacked talent, but that those films were constructed as deadly Great Acting Vehicles for her. And she was right about A Cry in the Dark.

She left the scenery chewing to the sister of PK's onetime best friend.

no doubt Streep loved reading how her weaknesses were precisely what made her A Cry in the Dark so effective.

i have more time for 80s streep than soto and kael but postcards from the edge and esp defending yr life represent a turn for her toward her much better work in adaptation, devil wears prada, etc