I guess this is the rolling internship thread as well, right?
http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/02/unpaid-internships-are-a-rich-girl-problem-and-also-a-real-problem/273106/
http://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/opportunity-costs-the-true-price-of-internships
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Thursday, 14 February 2013 14:54 (eleven years ago) link
I think the comparison w/ housework is a little forced
― iatee, Thursday, 14 February 2013 15:56 (eleven years ago) link
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324432004578306610055834952.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read#project%3DBORROW021620130216%26articleTabs%3Dinteractive
― iatee, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
Okay, this is starting to get to "Vinyl Lives!" levels. Is "people with arts degrees made bad life decisions" just the default slow day story now?
― ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:23 (eleven years ago) link
a 0% graduation rate is pretty damning
― :C (crüt), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:26 (eleven years ago) link
I mostly just linked it for the interactive chart
the historically black colleges have pretty bleak numbers. 27% default rate at morehouse, which is a fairly well-respected college.
― iatee, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
How can anywhere have a 0℅ graduation rate?
― Head Cheerleader, Homecoming Queen and part-time model (ShariVari), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:35 (eleven years ago) link
well the requirements for graduation at devry university-oregon include solving the p vs np problem
― iatee, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:39 (eleven years ago) link
negative-20k/year net cost at Berea College, nice...
I'm curious about why art colleges seem to be so expensive - are their fees really higher than everyone else, or is it just that they don't offer much financial aid? Can only rich people afford to attend?
― marc robot (seandalai), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
depends on your definition of 'afford' but those schools are often for-profit / don't have endowments / are small enough to not really have the economy of scales that big universities have
sorta case by case tho and you don't want to lump Berklee College of Music in w/ "International Academy of Design and Technology-Nashville"
― iatee, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 22:51 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah I figure a lot of the outliers are just that and Berklee etc. obviously have prestige but then there are "Southwest University of Visual Arts-Albuquerque" and "Ringling College of Art and Design", who are presumably (? idk really) not giving you a guaranteed money-spinner of a degree for your 40k per year.
― marc robot (seandalai), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 23:00 (eleven years ago) link
yep
― iatee, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 23:08 (eleven years ago) link
I think a study showed that something like 20% of Juliard grads wound up earning a living from music.
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 19 February 2013 23:11 (eleven years ago) link
"Graduation rates include first-time, full-time undergraduates who began at the institution and completed a bachelor's degree within six years or associate's degree within three years."
I'd imagine a huge proportion of students at some of these schools aren't on degree tracks at all, so depending on how they calculate things this could be just asking the entirely wrong question.
― s.clover, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
Ringling is actually a pretty well-respected school, for an art school.
― kate78, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 01:03 (eleven years ago) link
yeah the 6-year graduation rate statistic is unfair to some institutions but it's a standard metric that every four-year college reports
― Women, Fire, and Dangerous Zings (silby), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 04:42 (eleven years ago) link
also it's a relief that those people with six-figure debts from attending NYU or whatever are outliers…
― Women, Fire, and Dangerous Zings (silby), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 04:46 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/20/business/college-degree-required-by-increasing-number-of-companies.html
― iatee, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 15:04 (eleven years ago) link
We had articles last week on postgraduate degrees being the new undergraduate degrees.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2013/feb/07/rising-number-postgraduates-social-mobility?INTCMP=SRCH
― Head Cheerleader, Homecoming Queen and part-time model (ShariVari), Wednesday, 20 February 2013 15:12 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/22/opinion/dont-judge-a-colleges-value-by-graduates-paycheck.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0
lol. this dude is so out of touch
― 乒乓, Friday, 22 February 2013 17:32 (eleven years ago) link
The phrase 'Don't piss on me and tell me that it's raining' comes to mind here
― I turned away to leave these few in thought and contemplation (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 22 February 2013 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
talking about money is just so gauche
― iatee, Friday, 22 February 2013 17:45 (eleven years ago) link
university presidents being out of touch with everything all the time is all-time classic
― :C (crüt), Friday, 22 February 2013 17:46 (eleven years ago) link
dayo, Drew Faust is a woman, of "Woman to lead Harvard" fame (actual headline!)
― my god i only have 2 useless beyblade (silby), Friday, 22 February 2013 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
when colleges go back to charging $7000/year in tuition, I will go back to not judging colleges' value by graduates' paychecks
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Friday, 22 February 2013 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
Or how about we cut her salary 50% and "Don't judge a college presidency by its paycheck"
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Friday, 22 February 2013 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
but how will we find someone qualified enough to write articles like that and attend fundraiser dinners for only $500,000 a year
― iatee, Friday, 22 February 2013 20:56 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/fashion/for-20-somethings-ambition-at-a-cost.html
― iatee, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 01:48 (eleven years ago) link
eh, feels more like a quid-ag article if anything.
― s.clover, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 02:12 (eleven years ago) link
somewhere in between
― iatee, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 02:12 (eleven years ago) link
in quidagation limbo, if you will
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 02:18 (eleven years ago) link
qimbo
― iatee, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 02:19 (eleven years ago) link
IDK man, I used to have that kind of reaction to people bitching about working in "cool" jobs, but at some point we have to say enough is enough:
“We need to hire a 22-22-22,” one new-media manager was overheard saying recently, meaning a 22-year-old willing to work 22-hour days for $22,000 a year. Perhaps the middle figure is an exaggeration, but its bookends certainly aren’t. According to a 2011 Pew report, the median net worth for householders under 35 dropped by 68 percent from 1984 to 2009, to $3,662. Lest you think that’s a mere side effect of the economic downturn, for those over 65, it rose 42 percent to $170,494 (largely because of an overall gain in property values). Hence 1.2 million more 25-to-34-year-olds lived with their parents in 2011 than did four years earlier.
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 02:32 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I mean the article is a mishmash, I only posted it because I hope to get hired as ilx's social media manager, I think the last thing is pretty huge in that it's more than just an economic stat it's also a breaking w/ 'american culture'
― iatee, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 02:40 (eleven years ago) link
ftr i think iatee should be ilx's social media manager
― Mordy, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 02:47 (eleven years ago) link
I have experience with all forms of social media including facebook, twitter and gchat
― iatee, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 02:49 (eleven years ago) link
On her last day at one job, her 75-year-old supervisor asked her to help move some heavy things in her house. In her garage, the supervisor opened a door from which issued a blinding stream of light.
“It was a huge room filled with her own field of marijuana plants,” Ms. Schiller said. “She conscripted me for no pay to harvest it overnight. She makes $35,000 per crop and it goes straight to her retirement account.”
The intern’s payment the next morning: a breakfast burrito.
!!!
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 02:51 (eleven years ago) link
I feel like that was a weird example to use because it is probably not very representative
― iatee, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 02:52 (eleven years ago) link
dear high times magazine,
i thought the letters here were fake until something similar happening to me!
― Mordy, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 02:53 (eleven years ago) link
lol mordy
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 02:55 (eleven years ago) link
that girl shoulda stolen the weed
― iatee, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 02:56 (eleven years ago) link
I mean maybe the 75 y/o has crime connections to hunt down bad interns but if not is she gonna tell the cops 'my unpaid intern stole my illegal drug crop'
― iatee, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 02:58 (eleven years ago) link
also kind of wondering how she managed to repeatedly put $35,000 in tax-free income into a retirement account without anyone noticing
― space phwoar (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 03:03 (eleven years ago) link
well the kid might have been guessing about the financial side of things
― iatee, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 03:05 (eleven years ago) link
― iatee, Monday, March 4, 2013 6:58 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
if it's denver it's legal and she should quit writing and start growing imo
― Gunoka Cuntles (Matt P), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 03:14 (eleven years ago) link
the unpaid intern that is
ha rereading it you're right it was in denver or sf
it could be denver but it sounds more like something an old person in sf would do
― iatee, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 03:22 (eleven years ago) link
^yeah that occurred to me as likelier
― Gunoka Cuntles (Matt P), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 03:23 (eleven years ago) link
also I like how getting a job at collegehumor is making it to a respectable career
― iatee, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 03:23 (eleven years ago) link
xp also if it was in denver it would be the basement not the garage.
― Gunoka Cuntles (Matt P), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 03:25 (eleven years ago) link