The music from your teen years will remain the best music ever for the rest of your life. Right or wrong?

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Well I would suggest you are a very unusual person

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 3 February 2006 11:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Who, me?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 3 February 2006 11:47 (eighteen years ago) link

That's sweet but prob'ly not true.

The Man in the Iron-On Mask (noodle vague), Friday, 3 February 2006 11:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Both of you!

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 3 February 2006 11:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyway, back on the subject: I didn't mean to say all music from one's teen years is the best: some of the stuff I loved then sounds crappy now, and vice versa. The difference to the music of today seems to be the emotions attached to them, and I there's a different dynamic of how music and emotions mix when you're a teen than later on, perhaps because you're experiencing a lot of things for the first time then. So while I can say I still appreciate music as much as in the nineties, and music still can still get me quite emotional (for example I cry to music a lot more than as a teen), the feelings associated with music are different, more steady, and a as a sentimentalist I still value the stronger feelings more.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 3 February 2006 11:56 (eighteen years ago) link

"this is kind of true for me; i was a teenager during the mid-late '90s '70s revival and the whole "'80s thing" which took of just as i turned 20, i've had trouble really committing to. i think i'm just about coming round at the exact moment it's getting boring."

i definitely thought you were older than this suggests NRQ!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 3 February 2006 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link

more true than i'd like to admit.

james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Friday, 3 February 2006 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link

OTM

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 3 February 2006 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah hootie and the blowfish will never go out of style

killy (baby lenin pin), Friday, 3 February 2006 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link

haha tim i thought you were abt 40 till recently!

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Friday, 3 February 2006 19:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I used to think NRQ was older too, but then I realized even grad school didn't last that long.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Friday, 3 February 2006 19:50 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't know what a grad school is, guy.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Friday, 3 February 2006 19:53 (eighteen years ago) link

The person for whom this is true is probably not that interested in music

I agree entirely. To me (a teenager between 1987 and 1993), I liked a lot of what I heard. It felt like an important time in terms of hip hop, electronic music, and some of the English Manchester / shoegazer stuff.
But 1. a lot of it just isn't very interesting any more, not just musically, but once the context has gone, then yeah, it's pure nostalgia. Which I do agree is a self-defeating impulse to gve in to. 2. the idea of hearing it nostalgically at a themed party makes me depressed. 3. I find it hard not to cringe at people who sing along to old shit. Call me anti-fun, uptight etc, but it's a *lot* more fun to go out and discover and dance to brand new stuff.

paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 3 February 2006 22:10 (eighteen years ago) link

i pretty much dont listen to anything now that i did as a teen.

AaronK (AaronK), Friday, 3 February 2006 22:17 (eighteen years ago) link

The music from my teenager years = shitty alt-rock soundtracks from '90 - '97. Sublime, smashing pumpkins, stone temple pilots, and "Enter Sandman"

ick.

the music i actually liked as a teenager: aerosmith, queensryche, led zep, jimi hendrix, concrete blonde, frank zappa, etc

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 February 2006 23:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I feel this a lot more re: music from my childhood than my teen years per se. Like, the Beatles stuff I got into at eight/nineish, that does totally give me that security blanket feeling now. I think "best music ever" would be overstating it, but it does give me an instant comforting feeling that is a lot more immediate and untouchable than my relationship with other music.

Music from my teen years? There's some stuff I cringe at, and some stuff I cringe at despite knowing it's good, because I remember how stupid my idolising of it was. I have some assorted stuff that's associated with good memories, but that keeps on happening, innit?

Then again, I am only 21, thus perhaps a bit too young to answer this.

and I can still fall in love with new stuff, but in some respect it isn't quite the same: the music isn't connected to certain points of my life as strongly as it was in the past.

Tuomas, I find this a bit puzzling. Surely this will change once the current period of your life is over?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 3 February 2006 23:27 (eighteen years ago) link

It could be, but it could also be that while some connection will always be there, it won't be as strong as it used to be. For example, late nineties doesn't have the same effect to me than early-to-middle nineties stuff. It's like, even though I listen to as much music as before, it isn't the soundtrack of my life anymore in the sense it used to be. I mean, there are always some tunes that'll define a generation, but as people grow older their tastes diverge and there aren't any generation-defining moments anymore for them.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Saturday, 4 February 2006 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't read this thread. Not even one reply, yet.

The only possible answer to this 'question' is: "Not unless you stop listening to new and interesting kinds of music after you leave your teen years behind." The idea that you've heard every bit of music you might appreciate by age 20 is, simply put insane. (See also numerous ILE threads about nostalgia and its poisonous effects.)

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 4 February 2006 01:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I like a lot of the music I liked as a teen, as a 21 year old, as a 30 year old, still going. Dudes, I LIKE music. I'll keep on liking it, and much of the old stuff, because I'm me.

This notion you have to discard anything more than 5 minutes old is sad. Embrace all that you are and have been! Bands dont become shit because theyre unfashionable.

Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 4 February 2006 03:24 (eighteen years ago) link

The music from your teen years will remain the best music ever for the rest of your life.

East from the city and down to the cave (noodle vague), Saturday, 4 February 2006 03:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, Trace, that's the clincher. The music from that timer is nice. Good, sometimes. Cute, often. Interesting...seldom. And there are songs that have been advertised as the "moment of a generation" (see Smashing Pumpkins' "Today"). Seemed suitable at the time, but now - and for my friends of a similar age - "Welcome to Jamdown" was the song we wanted in 1994.

paulhw (paulhw), Sunday, 5 February 2006 03:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Probably OTM. I still get a massive thrill from hearing Master of Puppets that none of the more 'sophisticated' music I listen to now can match.

chap who would dare to be drunk on the internet (chap), Sunday, 5 February 2006 04:26 (eighteen years ago) link

doesn't this come from some boomer thing about those being "the best days of our lives"?

(cue the song, etc)

kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 5 February 2006 05:35 (eighteen years ago) link

FUCKING WRONG

I was abused by my fellow high school classmates for not liking Blink 182 and The Offspring.

CASE CLOSED!

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!! (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Sunday, 5 February 2006 05:42 (eighteen years ago) link

You wacky Adelaideans.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 February 2006 05:48 (eighteen years ago) link

blink 182 is better than anything australia has ever produced*

*except for that australian rapper thread

james van der beek (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 5 February 2006 05:51 (eighteen years ago) link

we're collectively making your card for that one, van der beek.

rez one-bagger (haitch), Sunday, 5 February 2006 06:23 (eighteen years ago) link

blink 182 is better than anything australia has ever produced

AC/DC not merely disproves you, but Bon Scott is coming back from the dead to rip your head off.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 February 2006 06:24 (eighteen years ago) link

anyway, the thread premise is RONG RONG RONG, I have found far more music that connects with me in the last three years than I ever did as a teenager. not to totally disavow all of what I used to listen to, just that a lot of it, in retrospect, was rubbish.

rez one-bagger (haitch), Sunday, 5 February 2006 06:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I want to know why people will give something "new" credit over something still good thats 10, 20 or more years old. Whats the difference?

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 5 February 2006 06:35 (eighteen years ago) link

it's not necessarily new music either trayce, stuff like, I dunno, jazz! I would never have listened to jazz as a callow yoof, for a variety of reasons. I would say the last three years of record buying (when I've had the disposable income to really go after it), I've done a 60/40 split of old stuff vs new stuff. crucially though, not much of that old stuff is from 1994-2000.

rez one-bagger (haitch), Sunday, 5 February 2006 06:39 (eighteen years ago) link

blink 182 is better than anything australia has ever produced

No. And I hate most Australian music.

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!! (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Sunday, 5 February 2006 07:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe it depends how good your taste in music was as a teenager.

richardk (Richard K), Sunday, 5 February 2006 13:46 (eighteen years ago) link

The music from your teen years remains a powerful sentimental touchstone, the sub-conscious soundtrack of your life (so to speak) that colors your future musical tastes and also your perception of the time period you grew up in. As far as teenage soundtrack remaining THE BEST MUSIC EVER I'd say that holds true mostly for people who don't continue on as serious music fans as adults.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 5 February 2006 13:57 (eighteen years ago) link

What if you carry on as a musical fan in a clown suit?

As for my teen years, a couple of acts remain specific touchstones from the time -- Depeche, Pet Shop Boys, eighties Madonna -- but that's about it. I think I'm rather glad of that as well.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 February 2006 15:32 (eighteen years ago) link

What if you carry on as a musical fan in a clown suit?

you were probably my age in the 1980s, a nominal adult in glad rags and a trendy haircut digging "the kids today and their new sounds."

m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 5 February 2006 16:32 (eighteen years ago) link

What if you carry on as a musical fan in a banana suit?

kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 6 February 2006 00:01 (eighteen years ago) link

You wanted to know:

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Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 February 2006 00:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Is that Mick Hucknall?

East from the city and down to the cave (noodle vague), Monday, 6 February 2006 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I want to know why people will give something "new" credit over something still good thats 10, 20 or more years old. Whats the difference?

Logically there shouldn't be, of course, but I think there's a feeling that if you're into something when it's first coming out it somehow BELONGS to you more than music your parents or older siblings might have listened to.

chap who would dare to be slightly tipsy on the internet (chap), Monday, 6 February 2006 00:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe it depends how good your taste in music was as a teenager.

Haha maybe it does! I mean I loved Japan, Duran Duran, Bauhaus, Visage, Ultravox and Scritti Politti - and I still do. *shrug*.

Sure theres other stuff I think "wtf did I like that for" but I'm not going to drop ALL of my past as embarrasing. I am proud of who I am and what I like, damn you all! even if it is Howard Jones!

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 6 February 2006 00:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah Joe: I didn't mean it in that sense. I didnt mean old music vs new, I more meant "music you listened to back then vs new discoveries". Otherwise yes, your point is very valid I think :) Everyone wants to "own" a time and place and genre, I suppose.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 6 February 2006 00:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Fair enough! (I should really stop scan-reading threads.)

chap who would dare to be slightly tipsy on the internet (chap), Monday, 6 February 2006 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Nah I worded that post poorly, its no suprise you read it as you did :)

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 6 February 2006 01:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe it depends how good your taste in music was as a teenager.

I guess it can. When I was a teen there were lots of interesting things going on: electronic music music breaking through, gangsta rap, etc. So a lot of the stuff I listened to then still gets critical praise today. But then again, I also listened to a lot Euro-dance that the critics probably labeled cheesy back then, and which seems to forgotten by the world today. But that makes me love it even more, because it was our music and no one else's: there's been no critical re-evaluation of it, no revival or anything. So I think music can be great either because it's timeless, or for the opposite reason that it's deeply and irreversibly tied to a certain period of your life.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 February 2006 07:13 (eighteen years ago) link

does "music from your teen years" mean music that was made/released/on the charts when i was a teen? or just music i listened to as a teen?

actually, no matter how you read it, your thesis doesn't apply to me. when i was a teen, i listened to a lot of fairly obvious stuff (u2, r.e.m., pavement, p.j. harvey) which i neither hate nor particularly adore these days and then a lot of older stuff (motown, stax/volt, dylan) that i feel about the same affection for 10-15 years on.

there are some records that will stir an elusive emotion in me, akin to nostalgia in its sadness (but a bit more troubling than the word "sadness" typically suggests; i usually get a little rush of adrenaline similar to when i'm afraid--which makes me wonder if it's some submerged confrontation with my own mortality). but oddly those records are more likely to be ones from an era that came just before i was aware of pop music (late 70s/early 80s, i.e. when i was a toddler).

i am quite assuredly NOT a nostalgic person, at least not in the sense of being nostalgic for my own past, wanting to reclaim or relive it. i'm happier now than i had been in my adolescence and after. but as suggested above i do tend to have something like nostalgia for the music of eras i did not participate in.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 6 February 2006 07:46 (eighteen years ago) link

i've been thinking about this a little bit lately and it's interesting to see a thread abt it. when i was a teen i guess i listened to a lot of 'big beat' and dance music and as i've been relistening to it in a misguided attempt at nostalgia some of it is still fantastic but some of it has aged really poorly - or just doesnt have the same effect it used to. eg fatboy slim: every song is overlong. underworld: still fantastic, euphoric at the right moments, downtempo at the right ones as well. homework still a fantastic record as are exit planet dust and surrender.
but ive found a lot of other music since then and i dont think id say that the music i listened to when i was an overwt awkward acne-afflicted teen will really be the best for ever. granted i'm going through a huge underworld phase again but i think its mostly the natural thing that would happen as i got back into big, anthemic filter house and then rediscovered my love for the enormous synth chords of 'two months off' 'born slippy' etc.
anyway-- so to answer the question, in retrospect i think tuomas is not quite 100% right. you may still have a soft spot for a few acts? but in my personal experience its not guaranteed

nervous (cochere), Monday, 6 February 2006 09:01 (eighteen years ago) link

although i guess when i was a teen i was also fixated on listening to whatever 'oldies'/motown i could find on the radio and that still gets me every time-- less a reflection on it being in my teen years and more it being fantastic timeless music i think

also i think nostalgia is getting overly shat upon in this thread. i cant really be bothered right now to look up old ile threads on that subject but i think a healthy dose of nostalgia can be just that-- healthy.

though it seems dictionary.com indicates nostalgia is a 'bittersweet longing' rather than just a nice looking-back. which can be i guess a good way to write songs but not such a good way to live life

nervous (cochere), Monday, 6 February 2006 09:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I disagree with this. Partly because I'm kind of embarassed by my 16-year old Soundgarden fandom and but also because the music of the last few years somehow seems to soundtrack so much more. More dancing, more big societal bonding things and actually sharing music and experiences with people rather than occasionally swapping tapes with friends 10 years ago.

Also, life is more fun now, and I'm going through something of a protracted adolescence. I'm sure I'll remember today's music more fondly in 10 years time.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 6 February 2006 10:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I totally agree with it. I was a teenager from 1974-1980 and I have unlimited love for glam, disco, punk, pub rock, reggae, post-punk and the chart pop of that era. It soundtracked so much, seemed like a lifeline and a link to something better to a fairly miserable teenager in a crap, isolated northern town. And so it proved.

Dr.C (Dr.C), Monday, 6 February 2006 10:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I love Alice Cooper much more now than when I was an impressionable 12-year old...

henry s, Sunday, 22 February 2009 23:57 (fifteen years ago) link

I think I'm coming down on the side of 'wrong', but that might be because it feels like I've lived more of an adolescence during my 20s than I did during my teens. There's a lot music from 2003-05 that really hits home in the way I think Tuomas was getting at in the opening posts - far more than stuff I liked when I was 15. There are always exceptions to that of course.

David Bentley: Rhythm Ace (Matt DC), Monday, 23 February 2009 00:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Hah, it turns out I said a very similar thing three years ago anyway.

One thing not really touched upon on this thread is that really this is less a question about music and more about your view of being a teenager. What really stands out about my mid-late teens (and I'm sure those of many others) is that big feeling of *possibility* - that even if things were shit you were at the start of some big adventure that could go anywhere. And the music you listened to when you were a teenager brings that all back.

I think I managed to keep a bit of that feeling of possibility going until I was 27 or something so I don't feel the teen thing as keenly as others. But on the other hand if you had an appalling time during your teens you might not feel it at all. This question could be 'the music from the time you met the love of your life will remain the best music ever...' and it wouldn't be hugely different.

David Bentley: Rhythm Ace (Matt DC), Monday, 23 February 2009 00:24 (fifteen years ago) link

OTM, Matt. I definitely feel the same way, even at 27 now.

Millsner, Monday, 23 February 2009 01:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, Matt def. OTM. I actively hate 90% of the music I loved as a teenager actually, because: a) most of it was total crap, and b) my high school years were the absolute worst time in my life. In fact, I think my prior idolization of certain bands as an adolescent actually *prevents* me from appreciating them now. I get much more of a nostalgia buzz from the music I was into as an undergrad.

i fuck mathematics, Monday, 23 February 2009 03:41 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm with Matt DC in that i feel like my early 20s were more adolescent than my teenage years, and that the music from that era has far more of an impact. Around that time I had given up on paying attention to music that wasn't made by my friends - with the exception of discovering new things from an era that I grew up loving as a child (raised on 60s British Invasion and 70s glam). I think when you're an adolescent and you're 'discovering yourself' your setting yourself up for all the stuff you 'know' is you when you're a cynical, tired adult.

Adam Bruneau, Monday, 23 February 2009 04:02 (fifteen years ago) link

Ha, I kind of feel like my late 20s are more adolescent than my teenage years.

Sundar, Monday, 23 February 2009 04:08 (fifteen years ago) link

music i had to actively seek out - primarily spacemen 3, velvets, similar droney stuff - for me, it still stands up. music that was current at that point and popular w/ me and my friends, not so much. lol britpop.

i would easily have had a lot more "WOW!!" listening experiences between 2001-2006 (22-27) than i had 1994-2000.

resident advice whore (haitch), Monday, 23 February 2009 04:09 (fifteen years ago) link

at the age when music was really taking over my life, round 14-17, yeah definitely this stuff still sounds great - mostly aussie indie, some creation/shoegaze stuff, new wave. the things i listened to from most of my 20s now sounds a bit shit, save for some of the better noisepop/shoegaze. particularly lol britpop and the also ran sarah label (and lesser twee labels) type stuff.

juicy sweet are (electricsound), Monday, 23 February 2009 04:16 (fifteen years ago) link

(That was blatantly false, by the way.)

Sundar, Monday, 23 February 2009 04:18 (fifteen years ago) link


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