"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

Actually that Jack/Locke thing would be awesome.

I don't think anyone will actually run into themselves

yeah I was wondering about that. presumably if the group had been closer to the hatch they woulda seen Locke from the past pounding on it or else Desmond wouldn't have turned the light on

not having anyone run into themselves (even making it an essential requirement for survival or something) would seem kind of a cop out tho, seeing as they're running with this concept at all

i dunno the way time travel works on this show i think we can assume that they won't meet themselves simply because we've already seen from the past four seasons that they've never met themselves. even if they do, it gets essential that their past selves don't see them - so they could be like sawyer, hiding behind the bushes or something.

or maybe for example, Present Locke sees an Other trying to shoot Past Locke trekking through the jungle, but since Present Locke knows he doesn't die that day he rescues himself from getting shot. like in harry potter 3.

"I don't think anyone will actually run into themselves because Daniel's already said they can't change the past."

aren't they changing the past though? they are disabling bombs for people in the past. that's gotta change something.

...or perhaps it was always meant to be and that is how the past was. Don't mistake coincidence for fate.*

*This has nothing to do with anything but John said it so much in the first season it might mean something now that we know he engineered his own fate.

But they didn't disable any bombs! He told them to bury it, and knew it would be sufficient because the island was still there 50 years later!

Surely the point of the time jumping is it enables both the Losties and us to see first hand some of the weird stuff that's happened in the history of the island, not so that Sawyer can bump into his past self and get involved in all sorts of Back To The Future shit? Dunno, the latter option seems more of a cop-out. If any survivor is getting involved in the affairs of past survivors then it's probably ghostly apparition Walt.

That said, considering the Island has been around for hundreds of years, it seems weird they keep reappearing within the two or three months since the plane crashed.

anything inexplicable="the island didn't want that to happen"

Locke can only find one half of a pair of socks = "the island didn't want it to happen".

Hurley never has sex="the island didn't want it to happen"

Desmond can't find a good clothes shop

Surely the point of the time jumping is it enables both the Losties and us to see first hand some of the weird stuff that's happened in the history of the island, not so that Sawyer can bump into his past self and get involved in all sorts of Back To The Future shit? Dunno, the latter option seems more of a cop-out. If any survivor is getting involved in the affairs of past survivors then it's probably ghostly apparition Walt.

^^ otm, ppl are way overthinking the time travel thing. dont get why the writers would be looking to make anything MORE complicated at this point with sawyer becoming a horse and giving old john locke advice while being shot at from a boat or whatever.

actually matt, we've gotten future boat time, and early others time, and rousseau crash time, so the time blips seem to be mostly linked to pivotal events on the island (which of course is how you get the plot to work, if it was just random this show would take a long time to finish) and i assume that will be attributed to the will of the island.

i just want to see some 18th century Others dammit.

Yeah I'm just annoyed we haven't seen dinosaurs or pirates yet.

sawyer becomes a horse and jack becomes a monkey

then they have a fight

would pay to see sawyerhorse braying "i screwed 'er"

pirate episode is going to be the shit

they should make a movie with a big name star playing "the island"

leonard nimoy

sawyer becomes a horse Dharma shark and jack becomes a monkey polar bear

then they have a fight

Would pay the writers lots of money to produce a Goonies homage where Hurley saves them all from the Black Rock crew.

If any survivor is getting involved in the affairs of past survivors then it's probably ghostly apparition Walt.

I like this!! Maybe the O6 will end up taking Walt to the island (Ben will be all "Oh BTW, I didn't mention this until the very last second, but we also need to find Walt and Desmond. Penny would be nice too, so I can kill her") and then Walt will go and do the spooky things he did in the first few seasons because Locke told him that's what must happen. He did tell Hurley Bentham visited him too, right? Maybe off-island Walt will already know (from Bentham) he has to go back too, and will transport himself all crazily over to the harbour where Ben and the others are in the next episode.

Lost seems to rely very heavily on causal loops, where things happened the way they happened precisely because time travel exists.

eg daniel telling them to bury the bomb so that the island will continue to exist in 50 years where daniel will arrive and travel back in time to tell them to bury the bomb so that... etc.

or alpert giving the compass to locke who gives it to alpert who gives it locke and so on...

so yeah if Taller Walt goes back in time to give advice to 2004 Locke, it's because Walt already knows this was how it was supposed to happen.

nu-Doctor Who loves this shit as well and i can see why - it's basically the only way to do time travel on tv without getting into multiple pasts/futures territory (Heroes tried this and basically the plot just fell apart because it got way too confusing).

Wet Walt could only have been the island tho

That nuclear bomb thing was so stupid. Unless the series ends with it blowing up the entire island up forever.

although the bomb could explain a bunch of the weird electro-mag and radiation shit that keeps happening in all the underground hatches.

i'm pretty sure the bomb is going to resurface. seems so stupid to introduce it (going so far as to name the episode after it) and not do anything with it. it wasn't even really presented as a threat in that ep.

or maybe the way they end the show is with everyone slowly dying of cancer

island cures cancer

bee stings then

Locke/Bentham dies in New York if i recall that newspaper clipping correctly, perhaps just after visiting Walt? i do not see why he has to die tho

mmmm, I forgot that Walt was wet in a lot of his scenes. Hmph. He also said "don't push the button, the button is bad" which I don't think Locke would have told him to say.. Opinions? I mean Locke did eventually stop pushing the button, but that set off the chain of events leading to their "rescue," which Locke didn't want. Anyone remember who Walt was appearing to when he warned against the button?

yeah, Shannon mainly. what a waste of the island's time!

and he said that backwards tho so maybe he meant that pushing the button is good. XD

LOL

If the island (or time laws) can exert so much influence, how did it let the O6 leave the island? Since this show is so character-based, I'm guessing it had something to do w/ someone making an unexpected decision-- Sawyer jumping out of the helicopter. Maybe the helicopter was meant to make it to the freighter but not have enough fuel to take off again, thus O6 all die in explosion. Or it was meant to crash in the water within the island's sphere of influence, so that O6 jumped with the island like Jin did.

i don't think Locke's DEAD dead btw. resurrection seems like a theme this season - someone mentioned upthread that the sign on Ben's van was an anagram for reincarnation and in this week's podcast one of them said that the hieroglyphics at the frozen donkey wheel roughly translated to the concepts of resurrection/rebirth. and Ben as usual was being cryptic abt whether Locke was really dead or not when Jack asked him.

i keep thinking back to the final shot of s4 where the camera moves to Locke's face as he lies there in the coffin and keep wishing he'd suddenly opened his eyes and said "th-th-that's all folks"

Keyes - i think you're on the right track. The time travel rules seemed to be a bit more flexible in season 3 when Ms Hawking explained it to Desmond:

1. You can't change fate.
2. You can't change fate but you can change the details (eg Charlie could've died much earlier but it was possible for Des to keep on saving him until the point where he couldn't be saved anymore. so they do have some free will but not much).

I think the O6 leaving is equivalent of changing a very big detail - remember how Jack got appendicitis and Rose thought that it happened because the island didn't want Jack to leave. but they left anyway so the universe will keep on course-correcting: none of them can be happy until they all make the choice to go back.

yeh that works for me

even if "the Island" is revealed as a proxy for "the show writers" or any meta-stuff like that?
They were getting pretty close to that with "the Island won't let you die, MIchael" i.e.
"us, the writers, have other plans for this character muahahahhah"

Hey actually the Island's powers and Walt's powers are kind of similar. Maybe they are actually antagonists and there will be a Walt/Island showdown? Where the Island = the writers and Walt = studio execs?

I bet we'll get to see Walt in Locke's off-island adventure episode but fear that will be the end of his story on LOST entirely.

Walt was the only 815er in NY right? Yeah whoever said BenthamLocke visits him last then dies (hangs himself the obit said right?) probably otm.

Well, Walt can really bring you down.

i do not see why he has to die tho

― O Supermanchiros (blueski), Friday, February 6, 2009 5:11 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well duh they're clearly playing that one close to the vest... im sure it'll be revealed

i suspected a buried h bomb had something to do with the numbers desmond had to enter

It might be something to do with the fact that he can't walk in the real world and has been a tad energetic on the island.