"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

I'm assuming Ajira airlines has something to do with the Others talking about building a runway or some crazy shit, was that last season?

Those others, WHAT will they do next???

no that was for the aliens

Batshit Lostpedia finds from the Ajira website:

A number of messages in hexadecimal coding have been found in the site source code on different pages. They are:

* "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." (From the Bible, John 3:16 - links to the Ajira promotional video).
* "So off they started about Irish sport and shoneen games the like of lawn tennis and about hurley and putting the stone and racy of the soil and building up a nation once again and all of that." (This is a quote from James Joyce's novel 'Ulysses').
* Pineapples in Hawaii. (Pineapples in Hawaii are called Halakahiki).
* Supersonic is commercial thirty till meridian.
* "Where America's day begins." (The official motto of Guam).

What's up with the origami thing as well?

or when sawyer finally admits to juliette that he saw kate he fails to mention that claire was there giving birth

― ice cr?m, Thursday, February 5, 2009 11:27 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I rewatched last night and he did say something about "she was delivering Aaron" or something else implying Claire was there.

what's the origami thing?

I want to know how the hell the canoe made the jump with them instead of them just being dropped in the ocean. Perhaps if they're touching things they make the jump, like the compass, those things make it too? It'd explain how they remained clothed, I guess.

I wonder what's up with Ajira Airlines flying to Ames, Iowa. I know that one of those mysterious preview billboards was in Ames and I think Kate's character is supposed to be from somewhere in Iowa, but it still makes no sense. Pretty sure that no planes that'd carry more than ten people could take off from the Ames airport, but I'd guess they're just using the convenient fictional aspect here.

yes im also pretty sure theres no time travelling island in the middle of the pacific but it seems as though theyre using the very convenient "fictional" aspect

Oh yeah, why don't you disprove the existence of a time-traveling island that doesn't show up from space, max.

Daniel asked that they go to something 'manmade'. Maybe only 'manmade' things can move in time with people.

It does feel like they're building up to someone running into themselves on the island or will the island always prevent this from happening? And what if Sawyer HAD called out to Kate?

Sawyer did mention Claire giving birth, incidentally. Maybe not to Juliet but there were dudes shooting at them at the time. He definitely mentioned it later.

I don't think anyone will actually run into themselves because Daniel's already said they can't change the past. I think it's an issue the writers are trying to avoid if at all possible. There might be a Desmond v Desmond face-off at some point but I can't see much else happening.

we'll see i guess—i did find it interesting that we finally DID see non-jumping losties

i mena, that that the jumpers did

there was someone on another blog who was speculating that wise old man locke saying all sorts of cryptic stuff to jack in season 1 was actually wise old man locke from teh future. which would be O_O if you think about having to rewatch all those scenes from s 1 in a new context.

u seem differnt than earlier today

yah dont worry abt that just heres what u got to do

well Locke did save Jack from falling off the side of the cliff when he was chasing his father!

Actually that Jack/Locke thing would be awesome.

I don't think anyone will actually run into themselves

yeah I was wondering about that. presumably if the group had been closer to the hatch they woulda seen Locke from the past pounding on it or else Desmond wouldn't have turned the light on

not having anyone run into themselves (even making it an essential requirement for survival or something) would seem kind of a cop out tho, seeing as they're running with this concept at all

i dunno the way time travel works on this show i think we can assume that they won't meet themselves simply because we've already seen from the past four seasons that they've never met themselves. even if they do, it gets essential that their past selves don't see them - so they could be like sawyer, hiding behind the bushes or something.

or maybe for example, Present Locke sees an Other trying to shoot Past Locke trekking through the jungle, but since Present Locke knows he doesn't die that day he rescues himself from getting shot. like in harry potter 3.

"I don't think anyone will actually run into themselves because Daniel's already said they can't change the past."

aren't they changing the past though? they are disabling bombs for people in the past. that's gotta change something.

...or perhaps it was always meant to be and that is how the past was. Don't mistake coincidence for fate.*

*This has nothing to do with anything but John said it so much in the first season it might mean something now that we know he engineered his own fate.

But they didn't disable any bombs! He told them to bury it, and knew it would be sufficient because the island was still there 50 years later!

Surely the point of the time jumping is it enables both the Losties and us to see first hand some of the weird stuff that's happened in the history of the island, not so that Sawyer can bump into his past self and get involved in all sorts of Back To The Future shit? Dunno, the latter option seems more of a cop-out. If any survivor is getting involved in the affairs of past survivors then it's probably ghostly apparition Walt.

That said, considering the Island has been around for hundreds of years, it seems weird they keep reappearing within the two or three months since the plane crashed.

anything inexplicable="the island didn't want that to happen"

Locke can only find one half of a pair of socks = "the island didn't want it to happen".

Hurley never has sex="the island didn't want it to happen"

Desmond can't find a good clothes shop

Surely the point of the time jumping is it enables both the Losties and us to see first hand some of the weird stuff that's happened in the history of the island, not so that Sawyer can bump into his past self and get involved in all sorts of Back To The Future shit? Dunno, the latter option seems more of a cop-out. If any survivor is getting involved in the affairs of past survivors then it's probably ghostly apparition Walt.

^^ otm, ppl are way overthinking the time travel thing. dont get why the writers would be looking to make anything MORE complicated at this point with sawyer becoming a horse and giving old john locke advice while being shot at from a boat or whatever.

actually matt, we've gotten future boat time, and early others time, and rousseau crash time, so the time blips seem to be mostly linked to pivotal events on the island (which of course is how you get the plot to work, if it was just random this show would take a long time to finish) and i assume that will be attributed to the will of the island.

i just want to see some 18th century Others dammit.

Yeah I'm just annoyed we haven't seen dinosaurs or pirates yet.

sawyer becomes a horse and jack becomes a monkey

then they have a fight

would pay to see sawyerhorse braying "i screwed 'er"

pirate episode is going to be the shit

they should make a movie with a big name star playing "the island"

leonard nimoy

sawyer becomes a horse Dharma shark and jack becomes a monkey polar bear

then they have a fight

Would pay the writers lots of money to produce a Goonies homage where Hurley saves them all from the Black Rock crew.

If any survivor is getting involved in the affairs of past survivors then it's probably ghostly apparition Walt.

I like this!! Maybe the O6 will end up taking Walt to the island (Ben will be all "Oh BTW, I didn't mention this until the very last second, but we also need to find Walt and Desmond. Penny would be nice too, so I can kill her") and then Walt will go and do the spooky things he did in the first few seasons because Locke told him that's what must happen. He did tell Hurley Bentham visited him too, right? Maybe off-island Walt will already know (from Bentham) he has to go back too, and will transport himself all crazily over to the harbour where Ben and the others are in the next episode.

Lost seems to rely very heavily on causal loops, where things happened the way they happened precisely because time travel exists.

eg daniel telling them to bury the bomb so that the island will continue to exist in 50 years where daniel will arrive and travel back in time to tell them to bury the bomb so that... etc.

or alpert giving the compass to locke who gives it to alpert who gives it locke and so on...

so yeah if Taller Walt goes back in time to give advice to 2004 Locke, it's because Walt already knows this was how it was supposed to happen.

nu-Doctor Who loves this shit as well and i can see why - it's basically the only way to do time travel on tv without getting into multiple pasts/futures territory (Heroes tried this and basically the plot just fell apart because it got way too confusing).

Wet Walt could only have been the island tho

That nuclear bomb thing was so stupid. Unless the series ends with it blowing up the entire island up forever.

although the bomb could explain a bunch of the weird electro-mag and radiation shit that keeps happening in all the underground hatches.

i'm pretty sure the bomb is going to resurface. seems so stupid to introduce it (going so far as to name the episode after it) and not do anything with it. it wasn't even really presented as a threat in that ep.

or maybe the way they end the show is with everyone slowly dying of cancer

island cures cancer

bee stings then

Locke/Bentham dies in New York if i recall that newspaper clipping correctly, perhaps just after visiting Walt? i do not see why he has to die tho