"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

he could try but he can't. island won't let it happen.

Do the O6 want to go back because they need to go back, or do they want to go back because Ben is orchestrating things to make them want to go back?

man i hope this is one of the few boooooooooring lets put the pieces in place episodes this season. esp frustrating because some of the aha moments were just so dumbed down or misplaced (so yeah jin is alive but instead you build suspense to the appearance of rousseau, which 90% of us guessed when you showed us canisters on the beach with french on them like 15 minutes ago?) and the just plain useless and yawnworthy half the episode wasted on following the lawyer around for the big unsuprising ben reveal.

this episode sucked.

So nice to see Jin back. My boyfriend and I high fived!

I hoped we were about to see Rousseau as soon as Locke asked if anyone spoke French... it's about time, I hope that this flash lasts long enough to give us some insight as to their story! Also, young Rosseau is so pretty! I totally agree that 16 years of boar meat could make Mira Furlan, who is still pretty in an emaciated and hair conditionerless sort of way.

Definitely a setup episode for some good stuff. I wonder how Locke or Ben will prove that Jin is alive to convince Sun to get back (not based on spoilers/previews but it's obvious, right?)

Anything involving Kate pretty much makes me eyeroll: Sawyer crying (though it was cool to see the "good old days"/birth of Aaron scene, that didn't get shown originally.. did it?) and Kate "always there for" Jack. BARF.

i am finding the O6 stuff OK altho this was pushing it. Sun gets such crap dialogue.

agree about the 'constants' idea being overplayed, think i would prefer this to not apply to so many people (or indeed anyone other than Desmond long-term).

the problem with the time jumps is how convenient they are. Jin could be sent anytime but no not only the same year as Danielle's arrival. obv no point using the concept otherwise but it's pushing it too close to credibility limit the more people they draw into it...unless the writers just say all the points people jump to are controlled and decided by the island (i'm OK with this tho ha).

but no not only the same year as Danielle's arrival.

meant to add but same location too

also yeah Rousseau doesn't look right for me. which one of them is meant to be Alex's Dad (assuming he was part of the voyage)?

LOL JIN'S LIPS

cutty otm, thats all i could pay attention to, dude needed some burts beeswax

"it....tingles"

I wonder if the jumps have something to do with the various "windows" of time that allow the island to be briefly glimpsed? just throwing that out there but yeah, super convenient there. loved jin's "rousseau, wtf?" face - I'd forgotten that he wouldn't realize he's time travelling.

I thought Sun was going to kidnap Aaron, she is so spooky off island!

unless the writers just say all the points people jump to are controlled and decided by the island (i'm OK with this tho ha).

I think this is gonna be the ultimate explanation actually - if Daniel had not jumped to that exact point in 1954 and told Ellie how to disarm the bomb, the island would've probably blown up.

as long as they explain the reasons for stuff beyond "you had to go back in time to introduce your parents to each other who had to give birth to you so you could go back in time and introduce your parents to each other"

"and then the Others will send back a Terminator to kill you."

so yeah I figured he couldn't kill her cos the island wouldn't let him. kinda weird tho, like I remember with Michael and stuff I kept trying to think of elaborate ways for him to try and die to see how the island would stop him. eg how does the island "keep him alive" on the mainland. the word "fate" seems to have to be involved here.

I was pleased that one of Rousseau's crew was named Montand. I hope to find out how he lost his arm.

I hope there was a good reason they held back on giving us Rousseau's backstory for 5 years.

because she was really just a background character?

it would still be awesome to see her first encounter with Ben tho (and also the smokemonster obv)

because she was really just a background character?

It seems weird to me that some people on the island are incredibly crucial and spiritually aligned with the island, and others are just expendable chum. Danielle seems like she would have been on the island long enough to have experienced it jump at least once? Or to have some advanced ideas about the smoke monster, or etc.

x-post They gave us 2 or 3 flashback episodes for the glorified redshirts Boone & Shannon.

i really didn't like how they killed Danielle off but otoh the coldness of it was exhilirating (ditto for Alex...don't give a toss about Carl ha ha)

Not to mention a fucking Nikki & Paolo episode.

but those are characters who are able to relate more directly with the main characters. Rousseau has always been v isolated which makes her backstory harder to explore and fit in with other people without just going off on a complete tangent for an entire episode (would've been cool with this if it means more island history but i can see why the writers would be reluctant to do this).

Yeah, I suppose it's more fulfilling to tell us about Jack's tattoos.

jack had an intense experience ok

Danielle seems like she would have been on the island long enough to have experienced it jump at least once?

I wouldn't think so . . . she's been on it since 1988, Dharma purge was in 1992. Nothing on the show would seem to indicate that the island has been moved during that period.

I thought Sun was going to kidnap Aaron, she is so spooky off island!

For a little while I wondered if she was going to kill Aaron.

would have been good

Why did she bring Aaron with her to kill Ben or whatever? She's a billionairess--I'm sure she could have put him in some kind daycare.

kind OF daycare-- though hopefully it would be kind too.

Maybe she didn't have time to search for a daycare with an interesting anagram, hatch-style paintings of planes or an address with one of "the numbers." Pity.

also no one has really mentioned.. Rose? Bernard? I can't remember exactly what happened. They were all together at the camp, ran away when the flaming arrow people appeared and then I can't remember what happened.. Was there a scene where we saw Juliet, Sawyer & all break away from the beach camp people, what happened there?

I would love to see Ben seeing Jin while kidnapping Alex from Rousseau, but I suspect the island won't stay/won't let the losties stay in that time period long enough before a flash. Imagine, though: somehow Ben sees Jin & knows he lives, but Locke DOESN'T see Jin and thus tells Sun Ben essentially killed him.

That's true--if Locke/Bentham spoke to Sun & she still thinks Jin is dead then Locke must not see Jin before he turns the d.wheel again.

maybe in the next episode he'll whip out a photo scrapbook of Jin, Rousseau and baby Alex chilling and eating sushi to convince Sun she should go back

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/5193/4rrqeusu8.gif

I'm quite looking forward to seeing all those French dudes getting capped in the next episode. I'm wondering whether it's Smokey, or whether they end up at the sharp end of the Dharma purge (is this the right time?)

The time jumps are a brilliant device for filling in bits of island backstory but the future, and the dudes in the boats, intrigued me even more. More Widmore lackeys, do we think?

The sooner they get the O6 back to the Island, or hanging out with Crazy Time Lady, the better. The only things I care about there are whatever happened between Ben and Sayid, and whatever the secrets of Sun's father's company are. The rest of it = bothered.

They're going to run into Des and Penny at some point soon as well, surely.

That said, the bit when Sawyer stumbled across Kate and Claire in the jungle was genuinely moving.

i thought danielle said the french dudes all died b/c of some unnamed disease?

btw danielles inability to later recognize jin (as well as her seeming lack of knowledge abt time jumps etc) could be pretty easily explained by writers as "she went crazy" which is basically how they played her the whole series--as a nutcase

from one of the lost screencap sites

In 5x04, "The Little Prince", Locke and company comes across some wreckage on the beach after flashing away from their high seas skiff chase. Locke kicks over a can which reads BESIXDOUZE. BE-SIX-DOUZE, or B612 (french) is the name of an asteroid. According to Wiki, the asteroid is named as a reference to "The Little Prince", who lived on an asteroid named B612.

also did anyone play the online game involving Ajira Airways (water bottle found in one of the canoes)

http://www.ajiraairways.com/

just throwing this out here - what if the "sickness" regular-time Danielle talked about is this nose bleed/hemoraging thing

haha wait but none of them are jumping through time are they

When did the Dharma purge happen? Before or after the French dudes died? There was no evidence in that first Ben flashback that he'd found Alex by then.

http://www.ajiraairways.com/ - This is very well designed and elaborate for a prop site. The Lost gang must have a gigantic budget to be tossing off professional web-design bills for this kind of thing. I'll bet there is an ABC promo tie-in at some point during the season (if there isn't already).

I think that was a good assumption until now, since they seem to be saying it's due to island radiation/time jump overexposure. Definitely hoping that Miles is NOT Pierre Chang's kid.

Dharma purge I believe was placed in '92, thanks to Horace Goodspeed's ghost (being dead for 12 years). French dudes were there while Rousseau was pregnant, so that was 16 years before, making it 1988-ish.

Awesome Jin gif up there!

(good assumption referring to '88-era "disease" being time sickness)

http://i44.tinypic.com/2rffpc6.jpg

This ep needed more Ben-zings.
When's Juliet gonna pull some big twist out of the bag?

just throwing this out here - what if the "sickness" regular-time Danielle talked about is this nose bleed/hemoraging thing

― GLEEPGLOP BLOOPBLORP (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 February 2009 21:26 (48 minutes ago)

The rest of Danielle's party died when "the sickness" came, remember? What's the betting the sickness includes short term memory loss and nosebleeds?

― Inky pinky ponky, father had a donkey (aldo), Thursday, 5 February 2009 12:26 (9 hours ago)

;-)