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MOVE TO THE SUBURBS ALREADY

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Sunday, 27 February 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

We're sort of in the suburbs, it's an old mining village that's become a commuter town.

We (Jill and Me)talked about it 1/2 an hour ago. I'm going to attempt to take on a second job, and work my ass off, and then we're going to move, hopefully in 3ys or less? these people have driven us out of our home.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

OK that's not really the suburbs, I know.

I can see why gated communities are appealing now.

Thanks Ambrose. (&everyone else)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

this is why buying a house gives me the phear. :(

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Buy detached, Teeny. Detached and remote, preferably. (thanks very much for removing the dup post btw)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 27 February 2005 20:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I just emailed a friend who is an electrical contractor, and asked about the possibility of doing some part-time work for him. Now I've actually done s.th. to hopefully extricate my little family from this fucked up mess, I feel a little better.

Hopfully when we sell the place, it'll be to a total fucking psychopath w/a a black belt and a shotgun.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 27 February 2005 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

im sure there must be more you can do to put an end to this guys activitiesm, as opposed to reducing your exposure to it (ie moving out). You have got to contact the police. First notify the mother that under the circumstances (ie of no change in his behaviour) you are going to be forced to take legal action. IT will lead to inevitable breakdown in relations, but you shouldnt have to move. Im sure that in similar cases the police have done somethign to curb such behaviour, and in any case from your description these dont seem the sort of people that want to go through legal process to defend their right to keep you awake all night. Have you called the police yet? Do so, and get down the Citizens Advice Bureau when you get a chance. Get some legal advice on your position. Even if you feel that such a cours of aciton would be fruitless, it is more positive than planning to reposition your life around gettnig away. and, as you said, if nothing is done, then this dick is just goign to carry on and annoy the next people to live next door.

ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 28 February 2005 00:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I phoned the noise pollution dept at the local council, and gave them a detailed summary of the problems. They're phoning me back in a couple of days. Feeling really low and uptight.

As far as moving goes, this episode has opened my eyes to the state of our neighbourhood, as mentioned above. I really don't want to live here anymore.

My friend emailed me back, there is some possibility of work from him, so, you know... We'll see.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 28 February 2005 12:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Norm - please don't let this get you too down. From yr description of the locale, I think you're right to make plans to get out, but meantime this is what I would suggest...

I have a little bit of experience here, as a member of my family was similarly bedevilled by noize probs.

1)Don't speak to them anymore - you have asked them to stop and they haven't.

2)Write every incident down with exact times and dates

3)Ask the council for recording equipment to be brought to provide a measurement of the actual level. They can also leave equipment with you for you to use. They will also send someone out to witness the noise.

4)After this they will write to them threatening prosecution. They will most likely ignore, so at this point the police will probably get involved.

As Ambrose says, get independant advice about what *should* happen, so that you can make sure that the council and the police are doing what they ought to.

(Alternative strategy - rig up all yr synths through HUGE P.A to create v.v. loud PROGDRONE which is directed at their house. Bricks and mortar crumble! hot hatches burst into flames! bowels rupture! eyeballs pop!)

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 28 February 2005 13:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Kids can sleep through anything. So can adults. Even if a sudden change in noise level (silent to loud *or* loud to silent) wakes you, you can go back to sleep.

You only get annoyed by something if you choose to be annoyed by it.

Get over it! This "OMG the neighbours make noise and now my life is DESTROYED and I'm DEPRESSED and ALL FUCKED UP" thing is the biggest wank I've ever heard.

Your life is only crap because you are choosing to allow it to be so. What a pathetic excuse.

toraneko (toraneko), Monday, 28 February 2005 13:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Aw, Toraneko, that's not fair. Pash is a very patient guy in general.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 February 2005 13:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck fair, destroying your own life, and possibly that of your family through your own stress, angst and bad vibes, is stupid.

Also, being patient implies that you are *waiting* for a particular outcome. Tolerance would be more useful in this situation.

toraneko (toraneko), Monday, 28 February 2005 13:51 (nineteen years ago) link

You ignorant fuckwit toraneko. To accuse Pash of wilfully creating stress/angst etc is idiotic. Everyone deserves to have *reasonable* peace and quiet at night.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 28 February 2005 14:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Perhaps she's just pissed, Doc. She's never made such ignorant comments before. Difference is, she'll be able to sleep on it.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 28 February 2005 14:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Ivor Cutler to thread.

D. Flute, Monday, 28 February 2005 14:13 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.noiseabatementsociety.com/hoc-awards2003.php

D. Flute, Monday, 28 February 2005 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a right not to be regularly woken up after midnight in my own home, Toraneko. The other people's rights stop when the reach the adjoining wall. They are not entitled to do this, and it's not OK. Have you ever been in this situation?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 28 February 2005 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah toraneko OTM and by that i mean "off the money"

djdee (djdee2005), Monday, 28 February 2005 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I hope Toraneko never moves next door to me. I work shifts and sleep disruption is the number one hassle of doing so, so I really feel for you Norman.

I know it makes you blood boil, but step back, count to ten, try not to get too stressed (easier said than done, I know) and avoid any unnecessary confrontation. The advice Dr C has give is OTM, whatever happens now, play it by the book, let the authorities deal with it, it's their duty and responsibility to investigate it.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Losing sleep is such a fundamentally depressing thing - being awake when you don't want to be can be extraordinarily upsetting. Some sounds are also much more difficult than others to ignore - I spent one night when I had to share a room absolutely awake because I could hear him and his girlfriend whispering super-quietly. But the slightest whisper was enough.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:04 (nineteen years ago) link

four months pass...
It's my turn now.

The Neighbours From Hell have escalated from having a loud party out in the garden every few months to doing it every weekend.

This past weekend was particularly bad - they were out until 2am on Saturday night, playing music in the garden really loud, bellowing along, shouting at one another at the tops of their voices.

You'd think they'd be too hungover to make much of a noise on Sunday night, wouldn't you? NO! They were out again last night until well after midnight, shouting and bellowing and making a racket until well after midnight.

I've left notes (we asked them to turn their music down the first time they did this, last year, and were greeted with verbal abuse and threats of violence for out trouble). I've called the Noise Nuisance hotline for the Council. My housemate is trying to get hold of their landlord.

I'm reaching the end of my tether. I moved out of Central London to the suburbs to GET AWAY from this kind of thing. I can't believe that any human being can be so inconsiderate and show so little respect for their neighbours. It wouldn't be so bad if they were in their own house, but they go out in the garden so the WHOLE NEIGHBOURHOOD has to be exposed to their noise. Sometimes they even have the radio on in their kitchen, turned up so loud that they can listen to it in their garden - never mind that the window for my room is CLOSER TO THAT RADIO than they are.

I don't know what else to do.

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 11 July 2005 07:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I've had about 10 hours of sleep the whole weekend long thanks to them. I'm emotionally on edge as it is, due to everything else. This has just really sent me over the edge.

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 11 July 2005 07:37 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.noiseabatementsociety.com/hoc-awards2003.php They sound like jerks. This link may be useful.

Languid Top, Monday, 11 July 2005 09:15 (eighteen years ago) link

USE GUNS

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 11 July 2005 09:20 (eighteen years ago) link

My housemate wanted to get out his stereo very early the next morning and stick it on the lawn, aimed at their house, but we thought better of it (not least because we don't want to piss off everyone else on the street).

Seeing as how I'm a musician and all, I should be the worst noise pest in the world, but I'm so TERRIFIED of being loud and disturbing people that I won't even play my stereo at all after 11pm.

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 11 July 2005 09:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm mainly frustrated with the Council for not doing anything. What is the point of having a Noise Nuisance hotline, if you don't bother following up the calls, or sending anyone out?

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 11 July 2005 09:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Have you tried going to the environmental health people, or are they one and the same in this case?

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 11 July 2005 09:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Same thing. (I assume, actually I should check on Lambeth Council's website. I called the council directly first, and was given the noise nuisance line.)

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 11 July 2005 09:30 (eighteen years ago) link

This is who I contacted:

http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/Services/Environment/Pollution/NoiseControl.htm

They never bothered getting back to us. If it happens again, I'm not waiting until 1am to call, I'm calling the minute that they start up.

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 11 July 2005 09:33 (eighteen years ago) link

People can be such inconsiderate jerks, hope it gets sorted for you Kate.

Norman, what happened with your neighbours? Are they still being a nuisance or is that passed now?

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Monday, 11 July 2005 09:41 (eighteen years ago) link

The people to one side recently moved out. Not long after I last posted on this thread, they had a party/barbecue on a Saturday when I was at work, w/music so lous that you could hear it a mile away at least. Just about everybody who lives nearby called the police, since then they'd been quiet. I felt happy when I saw the "to let" sign on the house, as you can imagine. Jill went down to see the letting agent, ands told them the whole story, and told them that we'd complain vociferously to the council and the police of the new tenants were the same. The house is currently empty.

I saw shithead's mother at the bus stop a couple of days after the argument. She was apologetic, and said it wouldn't happen again, and so far it hasn't. Last wintertime, the guy who has the allotment next to ours had a run in with shithead. His car got broken into, and there were a row of footprints leading back from the car to shithead's mother's house. Allotment man went to see shithead, shithead gave him attitude, so allotment man beat him down.

Jill spoke with shithead's mother a month or so ago, and she can't afford to run the place, because of shithead. She'll probably sell the place in a year or so. It's very sad, actually.

If he was my son, he'd have come home to find his bags packed and the locks changed years ago.

Another bunch of skeeves who live just up from us are in the process of moving out, so the place is perhaps looking up a bit at the moment.

What I have learned is this:

People who pull shit like this are inconsiderate fucktards w/massive entitlement issues, and reasoning with them is a waste of time. If you do not complain, they will escalate, like Kate's party a month turning into weekend of hell every week. If I am confronted with such issues in future, I will call the police out straightaway, write down incident numbers every time, contact the environmental health dept immediately, contact their landlords immediately if applicable, contact other local residents and see if they will do the same.

Kate, it is pointless to call the enviro health dept at midnight or 1am, you need to call during office hours, and speak to someone, describing your problems. Call the cops out on the fuckers EVERY TIME, and ask for/write down the incident/log number every time as well. Make a nuisance of yourself - hassle environmental health and their landlord/letting agents.

I feel for you about this, obv, having been in this situation. As a result of my trouble with fucking selfish morons, I have had to have anxiety management therapy. What pisses me off the most is that when I went to see the doctor, he didn't give a shit until I told him I had murderous feelings for shithead. What this tells me = I am officially worth less than the well-being of a selfish waster.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 11 July 2005 10:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I think all the "social ills" of the UK are 100% funny to me. I mean it must be balls to experience these kind of wankers, but the thought of having a noise abatement department in the USA is fucking silly. SexyDancer told you to move to the suburbs (Pashima) and you mentioned that it was not urban. This blows my mind! (Also, isn't the UK crazy for nuisance law now where people get really fucked up court orders imposed on them for "social crimes"? I'm talking out of my ass a little.) Between this, anti-immigrant hysteria and happyslapping, I am finally convinced that the UK is populated with a race of troglodyte mooks, which I formerly believed about my country, having attended a catholic grade school.

no tech! (ex machina), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyway...

Thanks for the tips, Pash. Perhaps I'll pass the details on to my housemate since he is the houseowner and see if he can get anything out of them.

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:31 (eighteen years ago) link

(I just woke up and only slept 3 hours, apologies.)

no tech! (ex machina), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, don't apologise! I don't see this as a "social ill", anyway, unless it's as a result of Thatcher's dictum "there is no such thing as society", perhaps. It's just some selfish shitheads who think they can do what the fuck they want, and if anyone complains when it fucks them, them up in some way, then it's the complainer who's at fault in their view.

I have never seen of experienced "happyslapping" or anti immigrant hysteria round here yet.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:37 (eighteen years ago) link

You mean ASBOs, Jon? They're great. We should have an ILX competition for "most unique ASBO".

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:40 (eighteen years ago) link

In Upstate NY, my nearest neighbour was over a mile away. I never had a problem with noise. In London, my nearest neighbour is under 10 feet away. This takes on a different dimension in how much their inconsideration and lack of respect impinges upon my life and its quality.

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Jon, where I live is pretty rural, but I live in a terraced house, w/2 adjoining properties, both of which, until recenlty were occupied by shitheads.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:44 (eighteen years ago) link

This past weekend was particularly bad - they were out until 2am on Saturday night, playing music in the garden really loud, bellowing along, shouting at one another at the tops of their voices.


Oh noes my weekend is ruined!

no tech! (ex machina), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Jon - GO FUCK YOURSELF.

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:47 (eighteen years ago) link

sunday morning 7am, we left the shoreditch houseparty

sunday morning 8am, bloke with machete turns up, informing he would like the noise turned down...NOW

the approach worked. im not sure they'll be having another one for some time.

charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I once asked, very politely, for some neighbours to turn the noise down.

While holding a hammer.

There is a pick axe in our back garden.

However, when I've not had a lot of sleep, I don't trust myself not to use it. (e.g. right f*cking now, for instance.)

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I had a noisy upstairs neighbor. I always fantasized about writing a note that said "Shut the fuck up" and "attaching" it to his door with several axe blows.

geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:54 (eighteen years ago) link

You should've wrote it in blood, too.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:55 (eighteen years ago) link

"S4T4N S3Z SHUT TEH FUCK UP LOL" w/a pentagram. In blood.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Jon - GO FUCK YOURSELF.

-- MIS Information (masonicboo...) (webmail), July 11th, 2005 8:47 AM. (kate) (later) (link

Lighten the fuck up, you old self-important hag.

Anyway, the best method to deal with this is to cut their fucking power (if you can).

no tech! (ex machina), Monday, 11 July 2005 11:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I think inviting a few friends over for some weirdness and chanting/murmuring, and have the neighbors wake up to find some bloddy meat on the door with some ashen symbols might freak them out enough to make them move.

geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Monday, 11 July 2005 12:00 (eighteen years ago) link

All of this stuff is wonderful fantasy material, however, if any of it was actually done, the result would be jail for the person who is actually the victim of the assault.

Jon, remind me again why you haven't drowned in your own vomit, you walking abortion?

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 11 July 2005 12:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I think inviting a few friends over for some weirdness and chanting/murmuring, and have the neighbors wake up to find some bloddy meat on the door with some ashen symbols might freak them out enough to make them move.

Hahaha you should definitely do this. And take pictures.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 11 July 2005 12:03 (eighteen years ago) link

(The funny thing is I don't even know why you hold me in such contempt? You need to lighten the fuck up.) xpost to kate

no tech! (ex machina), Monday, 11 July 2005 12:04 (eighteen years ago) link

He also has this partner in crime who swears every second word but still admonishes other people for swearing in front of his young daughter and said "if you fucking know anyone interested in having a garden pool, then fucking recommend us, man"

calzino, Wednesday, 13 June 2018 21:28 (five years ago) link

i <3 calzino posts

estela, Thursday, 14 June 2018 05:15 (five years ago) link

hes a terrible man in many of the good ways

tired culché (darraghmac), Thursday, 14 June 2018 05:17 (five years ago) link

pure glee

estela, Thursday, 14 June 2018 05:23 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

some crazy mofo is cutting their hedges at 00:37 GMT. There will be blood.

calzino, Monday, 6 August 2018 23:38 (five years ago) link

ooof

dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 6 August 2018 23:45 (five years ago) link

I've got it wrong, it's Yorkshire Water doing midnight groundworks around the corner. The water went off for a few hours earlier. Sorry bad revive!

calzino, Monday, 6 August 2018 23:50 (five years ago) link

if I ever completely lose the will to go on, I will start cutting my hedges at 2am though.

calzino, Monday, 6 August 2018 23:52 (five years ago) link

kinda disappointed tbh

dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Monday, 6 August 2018 23:56 (five years ago) link

five years pass...

had a neighbour call around today complaining about noise. It was disappointing, because this is currently the quietest period I've had in years. I initially kept it polite, and when he started complaining about my partner being loud and swearing a lot loudly - I explained she hasn't even been in the house for over 3 and a half weeks and suffers from MS + dementia and is still in hospital after major surgery .. so you can't say you are still hearing her, dickhead. I did my theatrical hardman nonsense at this point which is blazing eye contact, followed by taking glasses off like I'm ready for action (lol I'm not really) and walking towards him .. and he ran off. I walked around to his front door and knocked on his door. I just wanted to clear the air and explain that there are different types of neighbour noise and stuff like autistics having meltdowns or confused people that suffer from dementia don't have a fucking volume control or a shutoff switch so it's out of my control, but he was hiding in there with curtains shut. I returned again later after I had calmed down and he still wouldn't come out, this was annoying because he approached me in a bullying manner is about 6"2 and absolutely shit it when I made it clear I was ready to knock the cunt to the deck!

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 3 November 2023 23:46 (seven months ago) link

a problematic post, but anyone coming to my doorstep giving me unfair grief, right now I'm ready to put them on the deck very fast if all diplomatic options are exhausted

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 3 November 2023 23:55 (seven months ago) link


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