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my 1st-gen "tiBook" screen was infected with devils this summer, but once i got to Englandia it magically got better! yay for mysterious computer recoveries!!!!!!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 25 October 2003 15:21 (twenty years ago) link

I touched it, no magic only miracles.

Ed (dali), Saturday, 25 October 2003 17:08 (twenty years ago) link

I'm wondering if I should upgrade to Panther or not...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 October 2003 17:11 (twenty years ago) link

ooooooooh he's a magic man, mama

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 25 October 2003 17:11 (twenty years ago) link

The new iBooks look very good value right now, not the latest G4 chip but still very good. If you do get an iBook, get more RAM, 256Mb is not enough.

Ed (dali), Saturday, 25 October 2003 17:13 (twenty years ago) link

Ned, the word re: panther is that its faster that jaguar, particularly on older macs.

Ed (dali), Saturday, 25 October 2003 17:15 (twenty years ago) link

fuck apple ibooks. mine died out of nowhere last night, and i've been on hold with apple support for an hour and a half so far today.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Saturday, 25 October 2003 17:15 (twenty years ago) link

Ned, the word re: panther is that its faster that jaguar, particularly on older macs.

Really, how tempting...this would include my trusty G4 Cube?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 October 2003 17:16 (twenty years ago) link

I believe so. I'm waiting to see if any major bugs appear before installing, monitoring various Mac boards etc. Also don't forget to backup, I'm currently backing up essential files, using Carbon Copy Cloner, to my iPod.

Ed (dali), Saturday, 25 October 2003 17:22 (twenty years ago) link

Well there's G4 and G4: the PBs have still got much better specs than the iBooks, which are nonetheless a great bargain...

chandler apple, Saturday, 25 October 2003 20:19 (twenty years ago) link

I'm going to install Panther pretty soon. Ed, what's your opinion on clean installing vs. archive & install?

s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 25 October 2003 20:34 (twenty years ago) link

I'd be interested to hear more reactions from people who've installed Panther.

Sean (Sean), Saturday, 25 October 2003 20:40 (twenty years ago) link

archive and install is preferable, but time consuming as you will have to copy back stuff from the archive. It clears about a lot of junk from the old os so on the one hand you might have to reinstall a few things but on the other a load of things that you maybe don't use any more or have uninstalled get cleared out. Preferences and settings will get carried over and most applications will continue to work a very few (Norton system works for example) will need a reinstall.

Clean install is best of all as it will wipe your disk and you can put back everything onto a clean system, but no one has that much time.

Upgrade will work just fine but you miss a great opportunity to give the system a spring clean.

Ed (dali), Saturday, 25 October 2003 21:09 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, thing is my system is only a couple of weeks old, so I wonder if it matters so much... as for archive/install, do you have to copy back the stuff manually, or is it all automatic?

I don't really mind re-installing my 3rd party apps, it's just holding onto data in my user folder (music, docs--not much else) that I care about.

s1utsky (slutsky), Saturday, 25 October 2003 22:30 (twenty years ago) link

I'd be interested to hear more reactions from people who've installed Panther.

Been running it on several different machines and started in on installing it on machines at work.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Sunday, 26 October 2003 02:32 (twenty years ago) link

archive and install will hold onto all data in the right place apart from the system folder which it will copy and place in a new folder (system (old)) or some such. That's what I'm going to choose anyway.

Ed (dali), Sunday, 26 October 2003 08:11 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
I'm thinking of buying a powerbook G4 with a 15" screen. I've never had a mac before. Are they about to update to G5's? Have they already? Please tell me before I make some kind of big fuckup.

Product of Australia / Kate (papa november), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Sometime later next year they will be replaced with Intel based powerbooks, although refreshes will happen before then. there is no real reason not to buy one if you want/need a mac. PPC based macs will be supported for ages to come.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:43 (eighteen years ago) link

It is very likely that there will never be a G5 powerbook.
It is very likely that there will only be minor upgrades to the powerbook line until the intel macs go on market.
I've got a G4 powerbook and I love it. It's not the fastest or lightest laptop on the market, but it is beautifully designed.

x-post

Greig (treefell), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:45 (eighteen years ago) link

The weight doesn't really bother me. I'm needing to edit and retouch fairly cumbersome image files and be able to upload my photos on location. Do you guys think this is the machine for me based on that criteria?

Product of Australia / Kate (papa november), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:48 (eighteen years ago) link

With lots of ram and the beefed up graphics card it should be fine.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Cool, I'll keep that in mind Ed. Thankyou.

Product of Australia / Kate (papa november), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 09:57 (eighteen years ago) link

You can't upgrade the graphics card on powerbooks. Anyway, graphics card means nothing for Photoshop performance. That is all done on CPU. (RAM is key though.) My 1 revision back 12" has no problem driving a second display, giving me a huge honking desktop.

no tech! (ex machina), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:32 (eighteen years ago) link

15" powerbook has the option of more graphics RAM, which is particularly important under tiger or it would be if they ever turned on quartz 2d extreme.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Ahhhh! I thought 2d Quartz Extreme (aka hardware accelerated stuff) was turned on all the latest pbooks? I don't think photoshop uses this for rendering images, etc (doing so internally to its own data structures) -- just used by the OS for GUI / window compositing.

no tech! (ex machina), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:43 (eighteen years ago) link

But it stores GUI graphics in the graphics card memory, even hidden stuff, with effectively a SWAP file on main memory, so more RAM should equal better performance.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 12:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I see your point; I would suppose that more system RAM would be the biggest performance gain. I think that 2D windowing performance would only start to be affected when you were mapping enough window surfaces to approach the limit of your video memory. I wonder when that occurs.....

no tech! (ex machina), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Video will also be handled in the same way but with frames cached in advance and I could see that filling VRAM up pretty quick.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Hmmmm, I don't know about that.

no tech! (ex machina), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Uncompressed NTSC SD video runs at 17.9 MB/s (143.1 Mbps) without any alpha channel information. Which is what it has to be when it gets to the card, I guess.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I think my next computer will probably be either a shuttle or a fujitsu lifebook.

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:29 (eighteen years ago) link

The baby fujitsu is a fantasic machine.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 13:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Kate, I have a fairly new 15" PB. It is my favorite thing ever.

I'd still rather be in Tokyo (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Cool, I'm pretty sure I'm going to get one, I just want to make sure it's configured to work how I want it to as I really only get one stab at this.

Product of Australia / Kate (papa november), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link

fujitsu lifebooks own. i love mine.

mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 20:08 (eighteen years ago) link

The 1.67 15" PB looks great, but at $2100+ doesn't seem like a good deal for what you're getting (and you have to get the 1.67 to upgrade the VRAM/card). iBooks seem like an even crappier deal.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 20:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Get this, here in Australia it'll cost me $3299.

Product of Australia / Kate (papa november), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

yikes

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Are they about to update to G5's?

An imminent G5 (or otherwise-named next-gen) PowerBook has been rumored since January 2004. Sooner or later, the rumors will be true. But I'm not going to hold my breath.

As far as the value goes, the OS is a nice perk that you can only get with an Apple laptop. As is nigh-invulnerability to malware of all kinds, for which I'd happily pay a one-time fee of, say, a few hundred bucks.

Beyond that, the 1.67gHz pbooks actually stack up pretty well against similarly configured "stylish" PC laptops (e.g., Sony VAIO with Bluetooth/wifi/80GB HD, DVD-RW). They're just less customizable and there are fewer "budget" options.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

A Fujitsu 15" P4M 1.7, 60GB, DVD-RW, 512MB RAM is only $1499.99, about $600 less than a comparable PB. I love OS X, but I'm not sure it's worth $600.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link

that should read " a comparable PB under the student program." Retail, it's more like $800.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link

If that's the Fujitsu I think it is, isn't it more of a desktop-replacement form factor (approx. 8 lb vs 5.6 for the pbook)?

A thin'n'light would be more apples-to-apples, and the lowest I can get in comparably configured would be about $1700, saving a pound or so on a pbook but giving up a diagonal inch of screen.

Anyhoo, I freely acknowledge that you can get a PC box for less. Just not so much less, all things considered.

Of course, OS X for Intel is already rumored to have leaked into the wild, which could make this whole conversation moot (no matter how staunchly Apple insists that OS X will not be licensed for use outside of Apple machines...)

rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:35 (eighteen years ago) link

There will never be a G5 Powerbook.

no tech! (ex machina), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 22:53 (eighteen years ago) link

am i right in assuming that a 12" 1.5 ghz w/ 1 gig RAM is going to be much faster than a 15" 1.67 ghz w/ 512 RAM?

i'm not going to be doing any real graphics work but i'll be doing lots of matlab/mathematica and lots of desktop publishing.

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 23:22 (eighteen years ago) link

In choosing between the two, I would NOT base your decision on speed. RAM is cheap.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, make sure you buy RAM aftermarket from Crucial or Other World Computing (macsales.com) or one of those. You'll save 50%+ vs. Apple's cost.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link

in choosing between the two, I would NOT base your decision on speed. RAM is cheap.
-- rogermexico (tenthreaso...), July 13th, 2005 5:24 PM. (rogermexico)

so, um, what's better criteria?

vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Um... weight, cost, upgradeable VRAM, awesome portability vs. awesome display...

Comparing "1.5gHz w/1GB vs. 1.67 gHz w/512MB" makes not so much sense, as the 1.67 is just as easily upgradeable. If you get the machine from Apple and opt for the 1-stick upgrade to 1GB it's actually kinda reasonably priced. Otherwise, Crucial/Other World is definitely the way to go.

The point is, it's a cheap, easy upgrade that you can do any time. So it makes sense to go for the machine with greater expandability (15"). And for desktop publishing you'll appreciate the screen (and potentially the VRAM upgrade as well (ONLY available if you order from Apple).

rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 03:46 (eighteen years ago) link

QUICK BUY A COMPUTER NOW YOU ARE MISSING OUT ON THE FUN

I'd still rather be in Tokyo (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 03:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm typing this on a 400 mHz powerbook with 384 megs of RAM, running Tiger. Everything about it is fine, except that my screen is dying again, and this time i think it's terminal. I am going to the store today to buy a refurbed Powerbook. Any word on screens these days, do they still die the way they used to? I seriously could use this machine for another couple of years without upgrading any of my apps and be totally fine, but I need a screen. (yes, I've considered just buying a used CRT for $20 but I need my computer to be truly portable)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 11:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Worst possible timing. Can't you beg or borrow another laptop to make do until then?

Half-baked profundities. Self-referential smirkiness (Bob Six), Saturday, 27 August 2016 17:04 (seven years ago) link

I'm afraid not, my current build is not robust enough to handle the processes I'm sending it and the next 12 weeks of projects are pretty critical for me.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 27 August 2016 18:00 (seven years ago) link

You could aways go to Tekserve. Oh wait, no you can't, not anymore.

Put Out More Flag Posts (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 27 August 2016 18:01 (seven years ago) link

my macbook crashed and I was just going to go to the apple store tommorrow to fix it and/or get a new one, y'all saying I should hold off until the next series comes out?

marcos, Saturday, 27 August 2016 19:29 (seven years ago) link

Definitely.

http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#Mac

heaven parker (anagram), Saturday, 27 August 2016 19:37 (seven years ago) link

six years pass...

I got a 16” pro and the sound is pretty amazing. First time I’ve ever heard honest bass on laptop speakers

calstars, Friday, 10 March 2023 17:22 (one year ago) link

agree

assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 10 March 2023 19:42 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

I have a 2016 Macbook Pro running Monterey 12.7.4. Everything seems fine except that for a few months now, I've been getting a weird pixelated effect on the display, most notably in text displayed in browsers, but also in some videos and other documents. For instance, as I type this in the Add a Post box in Chrome, there are strange, faint underlines below some of the text that seem to shift and reform as I type. Switching windows and/or scrolling sometimes clears it up temporarily.

Any suggestions for what this could be?

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 14 May 2024 11:44 (two weeks ago) link

haunted

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 May 2024 13:19 (two weeks ago) link

2016 means could be flexgate related https://www.macrumors.com/guide/flexgate-macbook-pro-display-issue/

, Tuesday, 14 May 2024 13:30 (two weeks ago) link

Thanks. It doesn't really look like the flexgate pictures I have seen, but the display top of the laptop is also way looser than when new so maybe related.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 14 May 2024 15:00 (two weeks ago) link


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