"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

want more miles too. i wish he had come in a season earlier - really dig his line delivery but he needs a lot more to do besides flinging zingers at everyone else. also there remains that question of why he wanted that $3.2 mil from Ben.

the other thing I was thinking last night. isn't it handy that Oxford University is just basically a cloister walk and a library? apparently the design was based on a Scottish wine making monastery

yeah, this is pony -- but when des visited faraday's lab rat, the street did look like it was shot on the wonderful island of great britain. maybe it was greenscreen.

re. all the "YOU AGAIN' talk @ faraday from the others -- couldn't the next time-jump take them to, say, 1953?

Yeah I don't really believe there are any streets like that in Hawaii.

if the hot other with a gun was faraday's mum, wouldn't he recognize her, rather than just find her familiar? perhaps he's bluffing because it'd shit her mind, but then why remark on it at all? you'd think he'd have seen photos of his mother as a young woman.

he also said she looked like someone he used to know so it must be someone in his past, unless his mother and him had a falling out.

faraday's mum has to have had some connection to widmore, so it makes sense that it would be her. maybe widmore... is... his... dad...

entirely possible but i really hope he's not Faraday's dad... I can't explain why but i really hate the trope of half-siblings who don't know they're related on tv shows.

and we already had that with Jack and Claire anyway.

But if Widmore & the hot Other are Daniel's parents (and he taught at Oxford) how did he never manage to pick up an English accent?

hot Other married an American named Faraday and he grew up in the States? It doesn't preclude Widmore being his dad, although like I said, I really hope he isn't.

you'd think he'd have seen photos of his mother as a young woman.

What with all the cameras and photo developing labs on the Island? If Widmore and she left the island in anything like the way Ben did, I doubt they took photo albums with them.

that whole episode didn't really have any answers did it? just new questions

Most of the S1 characters, except Locke and maybe Sun, are kind of pawns in the action now as opposed to dictating the plot.

pretty sure sun is being p(a)wnd.

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It did answer this: When was Widmore on the island and who was he there with?

Since a lot of people were speculating that he was a pirate.

am i the only person who thought the first 30 mins of this episode totally sucked (for Lost)? some redemption at the end with the Locke/Alpert stuff but Daniel/Charlotte love stuff is so fucking lame and i am getting sick of his stoned/out-of-breath voice, just speak normally Dan. too many annoying haughty British accents too :(

according to Miles it's taken Widmore 20 years so far to find the island so i guess he defects from Richard who then adopts Ben who then banishes him from the island somehow after the Dharma v Hostile purge (but interested to see how Widmore comes to believe the island is his and why he appears to not respect Richard v much).

I would guess that Widmore believes he should have been chosen as the leader and perhaps Ben engineered his banishment because he called bullshit on Ben's claim of having been born on the island.

aw i kind of liked the corny Dan/Charlotte stuff although the "i said it because i meant it" exchange was some tv writer bullshit.

20 years would mean that Widmore was already off the island in the 80s, which is before the Dharma purge. i guess the island could've been moved once in the 80s which might explain how Rousseau and her crew crashed into it.

I don't quite get the "Desmond is the only one immune from time's laws" deal-- in that Daniel was the one who actually changed the past by banging on the Hatch door and telling Desmond about his mom. Does this mean that anyone can change time when they are around Desmond, or just Daniel?

the way Daniel explained it I think any of the other characters could have banged on the hatch and roused Desmond but if it was, say, Kelvin in there it wouldn't have worked

or was it only possible for Daniel to do it because Dan and Desmond had met at Oxford? I dunno

I like the Dan/Charlotte love stuff because
1) it's people from the helicopter crew
2) we don't get the mushy backstory
3) what if she is just a relative?
4) Faraday saying "I'm definitely not Romeo"
5) It's not Jack/Sawyer/Kate/Juliet
(sudden question that came to my mind - does Faraday know Juliet from before? great another possible scenario...)

During casting, Charlotte was described as "a hot twentysomething ... precocious, loquacious and funny... a very successful academic who also knows how to handle herself in the real world". She also has "lots of repressed and pent-up emotions" beneath the surface. The chosen actress, Mader, was told to be a "female version of Indiana Jones"

and according to wiki: it was hard for fans to connect with Charlotte because "she arrived with an apparent mission and then didn't do it" and was disappointed to not get the opportunity to tell Charlotte's backstory during season four.

yeah her role was originally offered to Kristen Bell (who would've been great) but she went off to do Heroes instead.

aw i kind of liked the corny Dan/Charlotte stuff although the "i said it because i meant it" exchange was some tv writer bullshit.

yeah this was a real "ugh" moment

maybe it's because I don't remember them interacting much or being interested in each other during the last season, that I honestly think (or have a theory) that Dan might only be pretending to love her so that she will have a constant.

I cant remember him showing much if any interest before

Charlotte did get worst deal out of the 4 Freightie Characters-- Miles and Frank got minimal back story but enough good lines & scenes to establish themselves. Charlotte was meant to remain ambiguous throughout SSN4. Her main role seemed to be continually telling Daniel not to tell the 815ers anything--which pissed me off. Now she's sick or dying & it's difficult to care, except for the fact that it would upset Daniel, who we like.

ehh even Jin and Sun figured out that Dan was in love with her xp

on the Dan/Charlotte thing...
1)he probably just sucks at relationships (he is a mathematician)
2)better yet - maybe he knows (or at least thinks) that Charlotte is going to die and has to say how he feels now

xp - yeah I missed all the set up for this love scenario

Charlotte was really supposed to be the most interesting one in that she knew that the 815 plane they found was a fake, seemed to know about Dharma and prob born on the island but her character really wasn't given a chance to be likeable or relatable in any way.

mandatory Kristen Bell image
http://www.bamkapow.com/bk_images/2008/08/25/kristen-bell10220601.jpg
every time you see Charlotte - close your eyes and pretend you see this

Has Charlotte definitely been written out? I don't see it myself, seeing as they're running quite low on island characters now.

nah not clear that she's dead by episode end = she'll live.

the thing about Kristen Bell is that she's cute, but she's also only like 3 feet tall and thus worthless as a human being. You want to have sex with a 10 year old?

I don't quite get the "Desmond is the only one immune from time's laws" deal-- in that Daniel was the one who actually changed the past by banging on the Hatch door and telling Desmond about his mom. Does this mean that anyone can change time when they are around Desmond, or just Daniel?

Daniel didn't actually change the past, though. Desmond doesn't remember this meeting until after he leaves the island, which suggests to me that the universe made him forget it the minute after it happened.

Daniel/Charlotte love stuff is so fucking lame and i am getting sick of his stoned/out-of-breath voice, just speak normally Dan. too many annoying haughty British accents too :(

RONG on all counts. mader is strangely alluring. i think the chopper people are a great addition and wouldn't care overmuch if they killed off jack/kate/sawyer at this moment, not that that's going to happen ever.

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That's not how I read it. Des had never met Daniel at the Hatch. But then Daniel goes back in time & bangs on hatch door. Normally Daniel would not be able to create a scenario that had not happened in the past, but since Des is immune from time laws he can--thus the newly manufactured fact bounces through time and shows up in present day Des' head as a memory.

This is also what happened when Military Des visited Daniel's Oxford lab in The Constant. Daniel had not met Des in the past, but then the meeting changed the past and the note showed up in his notebook.

the thing about Kristen Bell is that she's cute, but she's also only like 3 feet tall and thus worthless as a human being. You want to have sex with a 10 year old?

this is a weird thing to say

those two sentences were prob supposed to be different posts on separate internet sites

i pretty much agree w/ ffm.

even jason segal's dick didn't want to be near her.. are the d00ds on this site less discriminating than jason segal?

is that a serious question? do you want to have sex w/a ten y/o?

im not sure what "being three feet tall," "wanting to have sex with a 10 year old" and "being a worthless human being" all have to do with one another?

also jason segal was playing a character in that movie, it wasnt real life

i would have sex with jason segal

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/kristen-bell-hayden-panettiere.jpg

ws

ws: elf edition!

http://www.gecce.com/web/images/haber/kristen_bell_160408.jpg

elfs r sexy

Here's some other worthless human beings (same height as Kristen Bell):
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i think u mean elves are sexy