"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

its all i really bring to the table

ok how baout the painting in widmore's office:

http://i.iimmgg.com/images/gr/53126a57de8b6dafdba4f58f8f396627.jpg

# The painting in the receptionist's area outside Charles Widmore's office appears to have been inspired by Jackson Pollock. Jughead aired on Pollock's birthday.
# The same painting as previously seen in "Flashes Before Your Eyes" can be seen on Widmore's right wall in his office, at the opposite of where it used to be several years prior. This painting has the phrase "Namaste" painted on it, along with a polar bear and what appear to be mountains and palm trees in the background.

-Lostpedia

sorry:
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x18/gr8080/53126a57de8b6dafdba4f58f8f396627.jpg

also cuet 1954 gun toting Ellie is so obviously Ms. Hawking/Daniel's Mom

did they intentionally not pick 1955 to avoid back to the future crossover paradox?

In the season four premiere, the first scene with Faraday has him crying in front of that TV report about the fake flight 815 discovery, and isn't there a woman's voice in the background who you don't get to see on camera? That'll be his girlfriend from this episode, then.

The most lolsome moment this week was Desmond parking his boat on a badly-CGIed jetty in the middle of the Thames right next to the London Eye.

guys you're kind of missing the obvious connection here: the episode is called "jughead"

jughead - hurley (NOT in the episode, significantly)
archie - jack
mr weatherbee - locke (bald)
betty - juliet
veronica - kate (perfect love triangle there)
reggie - sawyer
dilton - faraday
mr. lodge - widmore

i mean it breaks down perfectly

How long do you think it will be before we get to see Island Future? I reckon quite a way through the series and that the Oceanic Six will be in it, on the Island. My current theory is that in leaving the Island, the O6 have broken with the future they're supposed to have and the Island is going haywire as a result, and that's what will kill Sawyer/Juliet etc if they don't go back. I'm pretty sure this isn't an original theory but can't remember where I heard it first.

Love the Namaste painting, it looks like the top of a face next to the polar bear - maybe Locke's? Or Jacob... or maybe it's just a monkey.

I'm wondering-- the Others pretty quickly picked off a team of US Soldiers. I wonder why it took them so long to oust Dharma. Perhaps they didn't perceive Dharma as a threat initially. I wonder if Dharma built the security fence right when they first showed up or after their fighting with the Others began.

i thought the island was going haywire because ben moved it with a freaking donkey wheel! maybe he just did not return it to its proper position so it's glitching every now and then.

about the frozen donkey wheel... richard didn't seem to know about the island's time-travel capabilities when he met locke, which begs the question - if the Others didn't know about the donkey wheel, then who built it? It seemed that Dharma only built a time machine on top of it but that the wheel itself was much, much older.

also i think the time-jumpers are going to start mentally time-jumping - five-year-old locke drew the smoke-monster which could be because he was getting memories from his future.

think that goes back to how or why the island has powers in the first place .... seems like humans didn't invent the powers, they just discovered em

probably will have something to do with the Temple, the giant foot statue, and the explanation of who/what Jacob is

xpost - interesting

maybe all those flashbacks were really time jumps!
not likely but would be lol.

I'm still postulating that the island is an alien spaceship and Jacob is the computer.

I really liked the circular existence of the compass. I'm looking forward to future plotlines invovling Jughead in the future. You don't introduce a sword in act 1 if it's not used in act 3. The Locke leader self-prophecy theory upthread is a good one.

Is Faraday trying to make himself Charlotte's constant with his sweet talk?

certainly he knows better than that since he is desmond's!

he can be both? desmond's constants are faraday and penny.

Penny is Desmond's constant, Desmond is Faraday's constant. As far as we know they only have one each.

oh id idn't realize constants weren't mutual!

I don't think Charlotte is unstuck in time Desmond-style by the way, because then they tend to go blank and zombie-like for several minutes while their mind goes off to another era. Charlotte had been walking around perfectly fine, albeit with a headache and a nosebleed.

maybe she just has really sensitive nasal arteries

Or a bad coke habit.

Charlotte isn't going blank because she's jumping through both time and space whereas Des is just jumping through time.

WAIT... this could mean that from the time-jumpers point of view they're "flashing" through time when in reality, they're actually taking a much longer time to jump from one era to another. so maybe by their latest flash, it HAS in fact been about three years since the island was moved.

Charlotte's also having memory issues, which could be a bit like Daniel's memory issues (and he prob had those because of his own experiments/exposure to radiation).

Was Alpert referring to Jacob when Locke told him that he was their leader in the future and Alpert replied that they choose their leader carefully etc and that they have a chain of command? Who is the chain?!!?!

Well, Locke had just told him that "Jacob sent me" so Richard was probably saying that Jacob doesn't just "send" us a new leader.

Pregnant parasite nosebleed like sculley from xfiles?
Charlotte memory problem = erased from existence?
Faraday's 1954 mum says "you again?" meaning he jumps back again prior in the future?
Charlotte = Faraday's sister being erased?

Is there a list of dead people reappeared, and who they appeared to?
Christian = buried on island, reappeared to Jack
Charlie = drowned near island, reappeared to Hurley
Ana Lucia = buried on island, reappeared to Hurley
Libby = buried on island, reappeared to Hurley, Michael
Jacob = (killed on island??), reappeared to Hurley, Locke
Eko = killed on island, reappeared to Hurley

List of dead people who can talk to each other:
Ana Lucia & Libby are bunkmates
Jacob talks through Christian

Claire, likely dead?, appeared with Christian to Locke.

Charlotte memory problem = erased from existence?

yeah that's kinda interesting

something messes up your timeline, you're like dead man walking

List here (dead people towards the end).
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Dreams_and_visions

This is a problematic list. At some point in time Mr. Cluck Cluck from Hurley's chicken shack must die (have died) on the Island. & Kate's horse, too.
Maybe the island is from the Solaris planet.

Problem with the Charlotte-is-being-erased theory is that, at least according to Faraday, things don't work like that in Lost-universe. The past can't be changed, he said, so that the Grandfather Paradox isn't an issue. At least I think that's what he said

But maybe Desmond's actions are doing it somehow.

this series is awesome!

I don't quite get the "Desmond is the only one immune from time's laws" deal-- in that Daniel was the one who actually changed the past by banging on the Hatch door and telling Desmond about his mom. Does this mean that anyone can change time when they are around Desmond, or just Daniel?

Does Des's immunity account for why he's the only one who left the island who seems to be having an okay life?

good job for the writers at making us talk entirely about characters who weren't even in the first season

Most of the characters in the first season aren't even that interesting to me now, except for Sayid.

"I could see why some people would think I have eyeliner on because [my eyelashes] are dark. Especially the bottom row, they're pretty dark. I've been dealing with it since I was a little kid, and so to me it's very funny when it comes up," explained Carbonell.

des was not one of the 6 that is why xpost

also yeah more sayid pls!!!!

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i am still very interested in locke's story

I like how the mysteries of Lost are beginning to spill out into real life recently. Case in point: why is everyone trying to cover up the fact that Carbonell/Richard Alpert wears eyeliner?

A woman at work persists in watching 2 random minutes of Lost each week & then demanding that I explain them. This week it was: "This guy goes to visit some woman & he doesn't know she's in a coma. How would he not know that?"

Most of the S1 characters, except Locke and maybe Sun, are kind of pawns in the action now as opposed to dictating the plot. They're obviously all crucial now but there's not much mystery left to them any more and they're not in control of things in the way that Ben/Daniel/Widmore are.

I want more Miles in this by the way. If and when he stumbles across the Dharma Initiative mass grave it is really going to shit his brain.

want more miles too. i wish he had come in a season earlier - really dig his line delivery but he needs a lot more to do besides flinging zingers at everyone else. also there remains that question of why he wanted that $3.2 mil from Ben.

the other thing I was thinking last night. isn't it handy that Oxford University is just basically a cloister walk and a library? apparently the design was based on a Scottish wine making monastery

yeah, this is pony -- but when des visited faraday's lab rat, the street did look like it was shot on the wonderful island of great britain. maybe it was greenscreen.

re. all the "YOU AGAIN' talk @ faraday from the others -- couldn't the next time-jump take them to, say, 1953?

Yeah I don't really believe there are any streets like that in Hawaii.

if the hot other with a gun was faraday's mum, wouldn't he recognize her, rather than just find her familiar? perhaps he's bluffing because it'd shit her mind, but then why remark on it at all? you'd think he'd have seen photos of his mother as a young woman.