I reaaaaaaaaaally wish pols and Beltway pundits -- mostly but not exclusively men -- would stop separating "abortion" from "economic issues."
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 October 2012 03:35 (eleven years ago) link
being an undecided voter & actually getting to ask the two candidates a question & still being unable to gauge who might be superior with relevance to the question's answer, i feel like this tells us a lot about why undecided voters are undecided
― *buffs lens* (schlump), Friday, 19 October 2012 03:37 (eleven years ago) link
in this woman's case i think it might be an aversion to politics itself. i mean, saying you care very much about gender equality and reproductive rights but don't consider yourself a feminist says to me you keep most the contemporary discourse at arms' length
― there is no dana, only (goole), Friday, 19 October 2012 03:44 (eleven years ago) link
This kinda stuff just reminds me of why we have to reinforce the teaching of social studies/civics/&c.
Also, look how terrible most people's access to political news is. Effin' cable news or the top of the hour headlines on your local radio station.
― the max in the high castle (kingfish), Friday, 19 October 2012 03:50 (eleven years ago) link
good news ilxors!
http://i48.tinypic.com/qnahjt.png
― Mordy, Friday, 19 October 2012 04:10 (eleven years ago) link
The national forecast is almost exactly the same as the Ohio forecast (no surprise there).
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 October 2012 04:24 (eleven years ago) link
He seems to have never had much doubt about Ohio - boost seems related to Virginia and Colorado tipping blue once again.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 19 October 2012 04:40 (eleven years ago) link
matt stoller said the high debate ratings reflected an electorate starved of info, watchu think abt that
― zvookster, Friday, 19 October 2012 04:43 (eleven years ago) link
that gels with everything i've been hearing the last 20 years about there not being enough information
― down w/ obana...he is the reson were in dept (Z S), Friday, 19 October 2012 04:47 (eleven years ago) link
bespeaks an electorate mostly overworked, overstimulated, + alienated from meaningful civic/political performance i think
― Mordy, Friday, 19 October 2012 04:49 (eleven years ago) link
the fact that due to the electoral college only 10 states get to really participate doesn't help either
― johnathan lee riche$ (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 19 October 2012 05:23 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.trbimg.com/img-5080dda5/turbine/la-154360434.jpg-20121018/600
― buzza, Friday, 19 October 2012 05:49 (eleven years ago) link
As an American, I resent the idea of government forcing me to learn about government in one of their government-run education centers. Liberty from learning is the greatest liberty of all. You can pry my willful ignorance from my cold, dead hands!
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 October 2012 11:40 (eleven years ago) link
Bet those two jowlies sitting behind the Three Stooges have had same seats at the Smith dinner for 50 years.
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 October 2012 11:46 (eleven years ago) link
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most people who watch are just partisans watching it like a sports game.
for the low info people it's like reading the election sparknotes the day before the test.
― iatee, Friday, 19 October 2012 12:00 (eleven years ago) link
but the legit low info people watch american idol instead and wait for the aol news homepage to tell them who won
― iatee, Friday, 19 October 2012 12:04 (eleven years ago) link
Silver's post about Gallup polling is really interesting. Huge samples but a regular source of zany swings (something like 26pts over a few weeks during the summer of Bush/Gore? Wildly overestimated Obama's winning margin in '08 and GOP's Congressional gains in '10) and no real explanation why. So he's not weighting it very heavily in this latest update. Which is good cos on its own it's basically MOVE TO CANADA, FRIENDS.
― Michael Jones, Friday, 19 October 2012 12:10 (eleven years ago) link
but if we moved to Canada clemenza would still worry about polls ;)
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 October 2012 13:03 (eleven years ago) link
Imagine having to become a blue jays fan.
― one bad call from barely losing (Nicole), Friday, 19 October 2012 13:13 (eleven years ago) link
Pure suffering.
― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Friday, 19 October 2012 13:55 (eleven years ago) link
Feel like this election has crossed some sort of final threshold where now even polls are explicitly politicized and mistrusted (and that's always seemed to me to be the big effect of partisanship: a sort of fundamental defensiveness against information that doesn't conform to your ideology. It's putting some real sense of yourself at stake in political outcomes.)
― ryan, Friday, 19 October 2012 13:55 (eleven years ago) link
on one hand, yeah, having so many polls has made me aware of how one's skepticism is related to how much an outcome relates to what one wants to be true. on the other, having so many polls (and poll analysts) has made clear just how arbitrary and questionable the methods behind them can be.
― da croupier, Friday, 19 October 2012 14:00 (eleven years ago) link
but if we moved to Canada clemenza would still worry about polls ;)― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)
Imagine having to become a blue jays fan.― one bad call from barely losing (Nicole)
Pure suffering.― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF)
Ambiguous sequence...well played, Alex; well played.
― clemenza, Friday, 19 October 2012 14:02 (eleven years ago) link
Can someone explain why Romney would even atend a Smith dinner? I can't say that Smith and Romney were exactly on the same page.
― The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:33 (eleven years ago) link
Both candidates always go, every election.
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:34 (eleven years ago) link
It has escaped my radar. What's the significance of it?
― The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:36 (eleven years ago) link
An excuse to show the world that candidates can get on.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:38 (eleven years ago) link
Kissing the ring of NY Catholic power, that's pretty much it. Arguably less relevant now, but old habits die hard.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1185943.1350512545!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_635/john-f-kennedy-richard-nixon-alfred-e-smith-memorial-dinner-1960.jpg
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
Franny Cardinal Spellman above, bomb-blesser and boy-toucher.
― cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/CwrwT.png
so eeeeevil
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:41 (eleven years ago) link
seriously, hope that fucker goes to jail for awhile
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Friday, 19 October 2012 14:56 (eleven years ago) link
for the haircut alone.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 October 2012 15:07 (eleven years ago) link
Measuring-the-drapes dept:
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/ap-romney-transition-team-working-on-fiscal-cliff
I'm sure I won't be the only one to find it galling if Romney wins and is able to glide past negotiations that would have been a major ordeal for Obama--not because he's a bipartisan guy who knows how to "bring people together," but because, you know, he's not Barack Obama. I have a feeling, though, that this is part of the recent movement towards Romney: a recognition that he will have an easier time with such things.
― clemenza, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
i love that this dude is charged with tossing 8 forms in a dumpster, but takes a mug shot like we're going to all know his middle name soon
― da croupier, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:46 (eleven years ago) link
x-post to Clemenza
Plus the Repubs in Congress will be more ruthless and show more backbone and unity than the Dems tent of libs, centrists,& blue-dogs. The latter may not fight the uh power if Romney wins, they filibustering Repubs have for 4 years.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:49 (eleven years ago) link
the way that fibustering Repubs have
― curmudgeon, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:50 (eleven years ago) link
someday I will proofread
Yeah, I thought about that after I posted--Democrats will be much more accomodating (i.e., spineless or responsible, depending upon your viewpoint).
― clemenza, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:50 (eleven years ago) link
Haven't yall been watching the debates? Republicans are the only party that wants to work in a bipartisan fashion! j/k
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 19 October 2012 15:52 (eleven years ago) link
Kind of curious about the claims of the republicans keeping it together in their big tent - I know it's one of their superpowers, but it's getting pretty crazy in there. What would happen if Pres. Romney comes to them with talk of raising the debt ceiling?
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:11 (eleven years ago) link
republicans don't have a big tent ideologically anymore but they're always pretty keynesian when they run things
― iatee, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:13 (eleven years ago) link
also
Nate Silver @fivethirtyeight
National polls published in past 24 hours: Obama +3.2, Obama +3, Obama +3, Obama +1, Obama +0.6, Obama +0.5, TIE, Romney +7.Expand
― iatee, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:15 (eleven years ago) link
Josh Robin @joshrobinObama has a new zinger: says his "flip-flopping" opponent has "Romnesia."
Talking Points Memo @TPMObama: Mitt has "Romnesia" http://tpm.ly/OOBjDh
NEW ZING ALERT
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Friday, 19 October 2012 16:15 (eleven years ago) link
literal back2back tweets^
there should be zing think tanks that come up w/ these things
― iatee, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:16 (eleven years ago) link
dream job
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Friday, 19 October 2012 16:16 (eleven years ago) link
zink tanks
― iatee, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
Man, tying it all up in a taut catchphrase will do the work of ten debate wins wrt a lot of the electorate.
― Burgled Hams (Old Lunch), Friday, 19 October 2012 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
zing thanks
― --bob marley (lag∞n), Friday, 19 October 2012 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
according to the model at the american zing institute it has the potential to do the work of 2.3 +/- debate wins
― iatee, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:18 (eleven years ago) link