~~~~~nutrition nazis 2012~~~~~

i think you mean "dr lustig phd"

Thanks Rrr!

Trying to get back on the NN wagon. Forgive me Cutty for I have sinned.

So has anyone here visited a nutritionist? And if so, would you have any idea how to find one that isn't a complete quack or a waste of time?

i think dietitian is the "non-quack" version

In terms of getting guidance from someone TT probably wants to see a registered dietitian. Not all nutritionists are quacks but dietitians are those who have a professional license. I think.

Do you have insurance, TT? A lot of insurance companies will list ones that they work in connection with and some will offer a discount.

this is pretty pricey, but if you're trying to get healthy and you're too busy/can't cook/hate cooking, it seems like a viable option:

http://freshnlean.com/

$35 p/day p/person if you live in california (includes 3 meals and delivery)

Yeah, non-quack is an important qualification. I already do ok, I think, but I kind of want to make sure I'm not leaving myself open to some kind of deficiency or eating too little or something stupid I haven't thought of yet. Wasn't sure what the dietician/nutritionist difference was

Look for a licensed dietician, for sure! "Nutritionist" has no professional standards/licensure/regulation afaik

anyone use this site? http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/index.html

finding it v interesting and useful.

i just bought like 100 vegetables

list vegetables 1-53

no i just know there was 100

also eggs. i haven't eaten much pasta or "whole grains" for the past couple months and i feel good about it. last night since i was making bolognese sauce i was gonna have pasta but my big pot had stuff in it in the fridge so i baked a delicata squash instead, it was good.

getting into this. so, brown rice, it doesn't really taste any worse than white rice does it? maybe even nicer? i was expecting it not to be nice for some childish reason.

made this tonight: http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/brownricerisotto_84639

Brown rice tastes better than white rice imo! Kind of nutty and has more toothsomeness.

yeah exactly, stands up to flavours a bit better too.

brown rice is generally awful

oh I love brown rice! if you toast it a little before cooking, and add hot/near boiling liquid it comes up a lot nicer than cooking it up from cold like normal.

oh I love brown rice! if you toast it a little before cooking, and add hot/near boiling liquid it comes up a lot nicer than cooking it up from cold like normal.

yep this is how i did it. really good. i recommend that recipe above highly.

I like brown rice way better than plain white but my favorite it maybe basmati.

pro tip: the purpose of rice is to balance out the oil/salt/flavor of the other foods you are eating. it's not really meant to be eaten by itself. hth!

yeah I don't really like rice on it's own in general

i heard eggs were good for you
but now i heard they were bad for you
what's up nazis?

A nicely fragrant long-grained brown basmati is most excellent and not to be sneered at.

eggs in moderation? is how I understand it?

so like, i'm reading a lot about this stuff, but what i wonder about is whether things like brown rice/quinoa are still better avoided in favour of greens or veg. i'm having a lot of veg with these but is there any guide for ratios or whatever?

my main aim is to lose a little weight, i've got a lot slimmer in recent months due to exercise and following some of the obvious rules, less meat etc, i'm just sort of muddled about the need to eat healthy fat and whether that's part of losing weight.

is the key to all this to tackle nutrition first, in terms of eating really good stuff, then count calories after that and start making changes?

I mean honestly if you're eating brown rice & quinoa and vegetables and less meat and you've lost weight already, I fail to see the point of any further policing tbh. But I am not a nutrition nazi.

i eat more meat now and i am getting super strong

If you want to go paleo, then do that instead, I guess? xp

the rule with veg is not a ratio thing: eat as much and as many as possible. there is no upper limit.

quinoa is cool. eat loads. brown rice is ruffage but it's otherwise empty calories. if you need the rice to feel full then eat more protein.

if you need <em>lots</em> of rice to feel full, that should be.

i wouldnt call this completely empty calories. it's not like iceberg lettuce or anything.

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5707/2

my buddy claims brown rice is better for his pre-diabetes because of some glycemic thing.

are bananas good or bad now? the pro-yonanas lobby seems to have a vested interest in "yea"
i feel like a banana every day or so won't hurt, but you shouldn't go bananas eating bananas.

yeah i mean there are worse sins than brown rice.

but lettuce, etc. are not what i mean by empty calories. lettuce is basically zero calories. by "empty calories" i mean stuff with not much going for it other than the energy.

eat bananas. they are good.

bananas are awesome in smoothies too -- add a really good base for other fruit, you really notice when you make one without a nana

there was a lot of stuff about dietary cholesterol in egg yolks, that, afaict, is no longer a concern to most docs. otherwise they are fine imo. everything in moderation.

i discovered this stuff on my last trip to the US. taleban recruitment advert imo.

http://www.southernsavers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/EggBeaters.jpg

i'm pretty sure jamba juice isn't healthy! not at 24oz anyway.

those things are terrifying

avoid unless for some crazy reason you are medically unable to eat actual eggs

but it's 99% real!

xpost not Jamba! homemade 12 oz smoothie with banana, berries, yogurt, greens and flax seed.

that's the same thing they put in jamba juice, unless you get white gummy bear, then it's like that plus 3 scoops of sherbet.

big difference between a smoothie and a juice

not being defensive, just want to explain myself. I use nonfat greek yogurt and/or unsweetened almond milk. I use fresh frozen strawberries or raspberries: if I use 2 fruits I combine them to make 1 cup worth, or 1 cup of one type of fruit only. no honey no other sweeteners. plus a good handful of spinach or kale and at least a tablespoon of ground flax.

I'm deliberately trying to avoid making ridiculously oversweetened sugarbomb smoothies. I don't get anything like the kind of horrible bloodsugar spikes I did when I was having huge lattes and toast, and the absence of dairy has helped my stomach problems enormously.

I know maybe they're not the ideal healthy breakfast but I feel like I'm feeling a lot better healthwise making these than I have felt in a long time.

there are worse sins than brown rice

this is the sort of statement that makes me not a nutrition nazi. food and sin conflated. meh.

people vary enormously in how the food they eat interacts with their health and well-being. i don't care if you have a study that shows this that or the other. my body knows better than any study of other people what i need for my health.

But the studies offer some useful hypotheses that you can try out on your own body to see if they feel helpful.

the rule with veg is not a ratio thing: eat as much and as many as possible. there is no upper limit.

quinoa is cool. eat loads. brown rice is ruffage but it's otherwise empty calories. if you need the rice to feel full then eat more protein.

what are the best ways, practically, that you guys use to eat more veg? it seems green salad with lots of varied veg in it and a protein would be a good way of doing this at dinner?

i'm putting veg into everything and eating lots of fruit, but i think it's still difficult to have 4.5 cups a day as seems to be recommended. especially if you're basing meals around brown rice/quinoa. that's the root of my questions i suppose, is filling up on these healthy carbs a bit of a waste relative to using veg and proteins instead? that seems to be your point caek?

I mean honestly if you're eating brown rice & quinoa and vegetables and less meat and you've lost weight already, I fail to see the point of any further policing tbh. But I am not a nutrition nazi.

yeah i mean, i don't need to follow any one particular regime but i'm quite interested in improving my nutrition as much as possible now that i've got the buzz for doing this, once something becomes an interest like this i usually can change my habits really quickly.

this is the sort of statement that makes me not a nutrition nazi. food and sin conflated. meh.

this is the nutrition nazi thread.

that's the root of my questions i suppose, is filling up on these healthy carbs a bit of a waste relative to using veg and proteins instead? that seems to be your point caek?

exactly. well, quinoa is good stuff, but rice is kind of a missed opportunity if you're trying to calorie control. there are less calorific ways to feel full, that have the additional benefit of making you immortal (veg).

and iirc you are throwing kettle bells around, etc., so calorie control should mean sth different for you than just eat fewer calories. make sure you are getting lots of protein too, which is also v filling.