"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

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looking forward to the horse season

okay max I'm cutting you off. there was some good stuff being discussed here! I wrote a lot and hoped people would comment on the stuff I brought up :P

did anyone see the preview with Sawyer saying he saw Kate that prompted the horse theory?

yes--he said, "i saw kate, and then i turned into a horse"

anyway I hope that the time-skipping Sawyer & crew are "the whispers" that the Losties keep hearing and that they'll show a spooky, whispers-filled scene that we've already seen, this time from the time-skippers' point of view.

To be fair I have to say I thought after that episode that Sawyer did look like say, I dunno, 5 per cent more like a horse.

but it was the one alpert gave him, obv a remnant of pirate times.

ok so now alpert would have two compasses. which is... useful.

the next episode is called The Little Prince, I hope they are not referring to Aaron.

charlie hume >>>> aaron littleton/austen

they are referring to max

Little Princess morelike, amIrite?

lol I was a step behind last night and forgot the new chick's name was Ellie

but ok if Ellie = Eloise Hawking = Daniel's mother ... then maybe Widmore = Daniel's father?

could explain why he funded his research for years (although obv. he could have funded it for other reasons, but still)

Is it meaningful that Locke can kill people with knives but is seemingly unable to shoot a gun at anyone?

still not convinced that Ellie = Eloise, the name should've given him a clue surely.

btw, what kind of guy names his rat after his mother?

Is it meaningful that Locke can kill people with knives but is seemingly unable to shoot a gun at anyone?

locke didn't know who those people where when he was throwin knife

^seems to the be the key with Locke and killing people. I'm still not 100% sure Naomi was evil...

My questions are: if the likely is true, that Ms. Hawking is Faraday's mother, how does Widmore know her? From the island in 1954, if she is Elly? But since she's on Team Ben now, aren't they on opposite sides? If so, why send Desmond to her at all? There are a lot of directions this can go...

or Widmore could just know her like Desmond said - he had been funding Faraday's research for ten years so maybe he knew Dan's next-of-kin.

i hate all these similar names on Lost. like both Ben and Locke's mothers being named Emily.

Locke chose not to kill Widmore because he is "one of his people" and yet Widmore didn't hesitate in the slightest to kill the guy he was with. I think that was an important correlation.

Perhaps Eloise and Charles had a nasty separation? In the enhanced version of The Lie, they said that Ms. Hawking's first name is Eloise.

locke didn't know who those people where when he was throwin knife

― cutty, Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:12 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

oh i see hwat you are saying. the others have killed each other before in such situations.

sawyer is obv a werehorse and the rat evolves via time travelin into daniels mother ok

i mean duh guys come on try to keep up

what i don't get is why juliet calls the others "others"

that doesn't make much sense does it

yeah agreed with that...tho she does do it kind of jokingly/mockingly towards the losties it still feels a bit awkward.

i think because when she first met the castaways Hurley and Sawyer called her an Other.

x-post I know why he didn't shoot young Widmore, but the writers have given us many scenes where Locke didn't pull a gun trigger (last night, the undercover cop, when Jack had the radio) & several other scene where he kills people with his knife. Given that choosing the knife is what upset Richard, it seems somewhat significant.

hmmm, the knife thing DOES sound pretty interesting! gotta re-watch some old episodes.. the only time I can think of an other killing an other was Mikhail/patchy and Mrs. Klugh? But then they both seemed to have Dharma in their histories..

who else has Locke killed besides Naomi? he couldn't kill his dad with a knife.

Mikhail also killed the Aqua Hotties.

Locke killed a dude with his knife last week.

oh yeah

but that was before he knew that guy was an Other. and all the people he's threatened to shoot and didn't are people he has some affection for anyway. i get what you're saying tho.

hahaha yes, the Aqua hotties.. But Mikhail did say he was the last living Dharma member so he doesn't really count.
has Locke killed anyone with a gun that we've seen? Perhaps he doesn't like technology.. he did bring a suitcase full of knives with him, he may just have way more practice/skill with a knife.

It's possibly just lazy writing-- Knife flying out of nowhere equals badass Locke.

The thing w/ Young Widmore killing his buddy reminded me of the Klugh/Mikhail thing in that they implied that they were supposed to kill themselves if captured. Widmore was sort helping the other guy hold up his end.

I don't think Mikhail was ever actually a Dharma member, though, was he? Wasn't it pretty clear that Ben killed all of them? I think ol' Eyepatch was just a straight-up Other.

Yeah. He initially told Locke, Sayid, and Kate that he was the last surviving member of DHARMA but then later admitted it wasn't true.

Misdirection is a big problem on this show so it could be either/or. Mikhail stated at the beginning of his introduction that he was the last surviving Dharma member and had a deal with the others w/r/t not moving beyond his little plot of land.

Well, Lostpedia says Before he was revealed as being one of the Others, he had claimed to be a member of the DHARMA Initiative, but later confessed that this was not true. ("Enter 77") so I suppose I am incorrect here.

this is what Bea said to Mikhail:

(Translated from Russian)

--Beatrice: "We can't risk it, you know the rules."

--Mikhail: "There's still a way out."

--Beatrice: "We won't let them into the territory. You know what to do. It is an order."

--Beatrice: "(English) Just do it, Mikhail!"

(Mikhail takes aim at Beatrice)

--Mikhail: "(English) Forgive me"

(Mikhail shoots Beatrice) ”

("Enter 77")

where the hell is smokey hiding during all this? how come it's not out kicking time-space ass? would love to see some raptors on the island due to some time travelin. Is Bea the crazy black woman who isn't rose? the weird metaphysical one

I guess it depends on who controls Smokey & when they got control.

So how did the US Military find the island? And why did they think it was a good location for an H-Bomb?

Tell us more about this HORSE theory. How does this reconcile with POLAR BEAR? Didn't Walt conjure them up with his crazy psych powers from that Spanish edition comic of The Punisher punching out the Polar Bear?

the polar bear was really there.

polar bear was a dharma psych experiment, they were kept in those big cages Sawyer and Kate were in, etc

pretty sure the polar bear is actually locke unstuck in time

Unstuck-in-time losties represented by their power animals? - yes, please continue to elaborate on this awesome theory.

Vincent is actually future Walt.

the polar bear is actually the horse, unstuck in time