"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

kind of interesting thing posted on a forum I go to (none of this is mine, I just like the idea. I didn't see the preview, though, it didn't air on my channel)

We saw Sawyer in the previews say he saw Kate. I'm thinking that they end up in a time during season 2. When all the other survivors are still on the island.
Remeber when Kate walked out of the hatch and saw the Black Horse? What she really saw was Sawyer, only seeing Sawyer would create a Paradox, so either the Island or her own mind replaced it with somthing else she has loved in her past, the Black Horse. Im sure next episode Sawyer will sneak off to try and get supplies from the hatch, this is when it will happen.
This explains Eko seeing Yemi, and probaly Hurley seeing Dave. They were just replacement memories to avoid paradox's. Remeber when Yemi said to Eko "You speak to me as if I was your brother." I'm thinking this is somone with bad intentions, attempting to stop Eko from doing somthing.
Same with Dave and Hurley. Dave tried to kill Hurley by getting him to jump off the Cliff. Im thinking somone is time traveling on the island and attempting to kill Hurley to prevent a future event.
Same can be said for Christian leading Jack off a cliff. The Christian we saw then was nothing like the one we've seen in season 4. This christian looked like Bernie from weekend at Bernies, not speaking, and looking like a zombie. In season 4 he was talking, and seemed like the real Christian. It was somone Jack couldnt see with out creating a paradox.

Im positive about the Black Horse, the other examples just go along with the theory.

What does everyone think?

P.S. Props to everyone who said Libby and Faraday have a connection. Nice call.

http://4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52843&highlight=

er what was the Libby/Faraday connection I missed?

My friend was speaking over the coma lady scene, how did Desmond know that that woman isn't Faraday's mom?

what, the woman in the coma? she was too young to be faraday's mom .... desmond just went to see her because of the guy's comment ("after what he did to that woman" ... i.e. got her permanently unstuck in time). it was the only breadcrumb he could follow on his faraday trail

Okay so who is Ellie to Daniel? Maybe Teresa(? the girl unstuck in time on Widmore life support?)'s mom or something?

still think the white haired time lady is daniel's mom ... and we now know daniel's mom is in L.A. ... where Ben is

I remember someone, maybe here, talking about how they wished when the show was all complete that someone would put together a linear version of the show, showing all the flashbacks chronologically leading up to the stuff on the island, etc. Even trying to think of this stuff linearly, where x plot point slots in next to y, has become basically impossible.

Wait are you saying the white haired timecop lady is ALSO the young blonde woman w/ Faraday at the JUGHEAD site?

AND Daniel's mom and he recognizes her because she's HIS mother?

AND Daniel's mom and he recognizes her because she's HIS mother?

i'm willing to wager it's not his mom. enough.

― cutty, Sunday, 25 January 2009 22:10 (4 days ago) Bookmark

lol

just another old enough to be his mom time travel expert physicist livin in la where ben visited her

Ellie is Dan's mom who is also time church lady I think - she's met him so she's going to remember like Desmond did that her son is trapped in time, which could be why she's sent Ben to round up the Oceanic Sixers to bring them back to the island.

if Ellie is not Dan's mom, she could be Penny's mom. Have they mentioned whether Penny has ever met Dan?

what if when daniel sawyer ginger cowface and whoever else were standing around the blown-up hatch waiting for time change again one of them had climbed down into the crater and then time changed?

Almost creeping into Quantum Leap territory-- "Ziggy says there's a 97% probability you're here to tell the Others how to bury that Hydrogen bomb in concrete before you can jump again"--but still cool.

I literally jumped out of my seat when young Widmore was revealed.

Richard gets mad because Locke doesn't recognize the compass John gives him, continues to test him over and over again to validate the fact that Richard saw Locke disappear before his very eyes & believe he was sent by Jacob which Locke wasn't, really - seems like he is almost managing to engineer his own fate! Telling Alpert he will be his leader in 50 years makes him the leader in 50 years. Love it.

This is key. Locke telling Richard that Jacob sent him, when in actuality it was Christian who told him to move the Island--which caused Ben to be banished. Before I was convinced that Ben was a false leader but that was mostly because of what Richard said to Locke in SSN 3 about people questioning Ben's leadership. Now I think that Richard allowed himself to be misguided by his encounter with Locke in the past. So has Ben really been the rightful leader all along or is it one of the other 815ers/Freighties?

Seeing the Others pre-Mittelos, pre-Dharma seeming to have no idea about time travel is interesting. Makes me think they really were just on some primitive mystical shit & then a bunch of military guys showing up with an H-Bomb forced them to adapt to the new high-tech threats. Notice how they took the weapons and uniforms of the army guys they killed, just as they took over Dharma's facilities?

And why the hell didn't Jacob pick Richard as the leader?

Of course I mean "primitive mystical shit" that involves speaking Latin and dividing the world into good & bad people.

I also wanna know why Richard Alpert appears to be american while all the other Others are english.

btw that other who was pointing the gun at faraday was WS09 material. so hot.

god bless the hot Others.

so this makes Widmore roughly twenty plus years older than Ben who was born in the early 60s. You'd have to wonder when their rivalry began - Ben didn't show up on the island until he was about 11 or 12, and didn't take over as Other leader until the purge in 1992.

otm, I loved her.

Yeah, Ellie has to be Miss Hawking/Farday's mom--though I wonder why she didn't just tell him not to go to the island? Maybe she did & he didn't listen or she let him go because it would muck up the timestream to stop him.

I didn't see previews for next week, but the cast list is whoa!

i was waiting for someone to mention that
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coma chick is the girl in the picture in daniel's lab. he fucked up so he's trying to save charlotte because she is coma chick's constant maybe?

this was a great episode I thought, btw

Oh, and at this point do we need all the bait-and-switch scenes like when Ellie tells Daniel "You couldn't stay away, could you?" making it seem as though he was once a part of her crew?

Thought the latin was pretty stupid. Especially "Ricardus Alpertus". It's LATIN for Richard Alpert...

Whereas Spanish would be Ricardo Alpertez

yeah that was LOL

ricardo alperta in the italian

Ichard-Ray Pert-Alay in the Pig Latin.

Richar' Alpeuuuuh in French

Ricky Apples in Little Italy.

reekard allpurt in the german

could be nothing, could be EVERYTHING, this woman was in last night's episode (uni library) and is also the woman who told Hurley it was his lucky day/she got him onto flight 815:

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u209/sawyer1313/Jenna.jpg
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u209/sawyer1313/Moria.jpg

someone post a pic of hottie other plz.

ok that is definitely something
they would NOT go all l&o repeat offenders style with something where every detail is so important, would they?

Also wondering about Ellie's throwaway "you couldn't stay away?" line that Charlotte and Miles didn't bother to comment on..

here you go cutster:
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/thumb/4/4c/EllieJughead.jpg/250px-EllieJughead.jpg

Benjaminus Linusus....foreign languages are easy!

That other's accent was weird. more bad British accents in last night's episode than ever before...when Desmond visited that woman whose sister Faraday had messed up she was like straight out of some American version of Dickens.

Also that reminds me, wtf was up with Desmond's bizarre scarf plus sunglasses leisure combo?

mmmm-hmm:
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/0/0c/JonesS5.jpg

i lolllllllled at that! he was tryin to be suave like sayid but it was not working.

yeah he looked like a low level businessman on holidays who bought the sunglasses in duty free

"time to unwind...I'm on the mainland now. on a little island called GREAT BRITAIN, it may not have bears and time travel but they make a damn good cup of tea"

btw i was wondering last week - is la so humid that sayid's blowout would have gotten ruined from lying on hurley's couch/being transported to the hospital? he started the ep w/ perfectly styled locks and ended up with poodly mess.

damned republican guard shampoo

i lolllllllled at that! he was tryin to be suave like sayid but it was not working.

I was starting to think I was weird for thinking that was so funny.

I noticed his hair too! Poor guy spent all that time on the island without his straight iron and still can't get no peace.

I kind of loved Desmond's uber-purple outfit!

i wish i was better at picking up important plot details/twists than noticing who needs to go on what not to wear.

show of hands: who's upset widmore wasn't actually a pirate?

the other thing I was thinking last night. isn't it handy that Oxford University is just basically a cloister walk and a library? apparently the design was based on a Scottish wine making monastery

x-post I wanted Widmore to be 500 year old son of Alvar Hanso or something yeah

alpert is the pirate

with that eyeliner, there's no way he couldn't be! i want johnny depp to make a cameo as his twin bro.