lol just came here to post that
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 14 September 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
how many douchechills can he
― Nhex, Friday, 14 September 2012 17:00 (eleven years ago) link
you are fucking kidding me
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 14 September 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link
if a democrat nominee had said that the press wouldn't have enough nails for his coffin
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 14 September 2012 17:02 (eleven years ago) link
And yet I have plenty of struggling relatives making well under that $50k figure that think Romney is their saviour.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 14 September 2012 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
he did (link taken from gawker story): "In a recent speech, President Barack Obama referred to the "middle class" 14 times, defining it as a family that makes up to $250,000 a year."
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0718/What-does-it-mean-to-be-middle-class
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 14 September 2012 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
but "up to" means a hell of a lot more than "$200k-$250k"
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 14 September 2012 17:04 (eleven years ago) link
is more inclusive of, y'know, reality
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 14 September 2012 17:05 (eleven years ago) link
i'm guessing that was a misphrasing on romney's part? number aside, it would be weird to define middle income with a range of just $50,000. but maybe i'm being overly charitable.
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 14 September 2012 17:06 (eleven years ago) link
like what proportion of americans would fall under "middle income" if he was defining it literally as $200,000 to $250,000 in income?
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 14 September 2012 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
good god
“I think the challenge that I’ll have in the debate is that the president tends to, how shall I say it, to say things that aren’t true,” Romney said. “I’ve looked at prior debates. And in that kind of case, it’s difficult to say, ‘Well, am I going to spend my time correcting things that aren’t quite accurate? Or am I going to spend my time talking about the things I want to talk about?”
― backed by regular small people (Hunt3r), Friday, 14 September 2012 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
i think its just a reflection of how completely out of touch he is with what most Americans actually earn. in his view, that probably seems like a reasonable estimate. the $250,000 has been a number kicked around a lot as kind of a middle-class upper limit this cycle, so i can see why he picked that as an upper limit. he probably can't even fathom how people making under $200k even live, so he just threw that one in.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 14 September 2012 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
yeah when youre dealing with numbers that small, whole orders of magnitude are indistinguishible. scale becomes a huge problem.
― backed by regular small people (Hunt3r), Friday, 14 September 2012 17:13 (eleven years ago) link
sorry guys, this is bullshit - the whole quote is “Middle income is $200,000 to $250,000 and less."
http://www.salon.com/2012/09/14/mitt_romney_defines_middle_income_as_200_250000/
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 14 September 2012 17:13 (eleven years ago) link
i.e. more or less the way Obama has been defining it
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 14 September 2012 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
And less
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 14 September 2012 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
you guys are really masters of freaking out over one guy's BS vs another guy's high crimes.
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 September 2012 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41MR6E2REZL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
― free-range chicken pox (Matt P), Friday, 14 September 2012 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRB2h37tedkN_3Sz0ilydnf3OpPRo1_BY9AzuKHCksZKSajGyFY-8LJfbYTtA
high crimes
― Mordy, Friday, 14 September 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
freaking out? it's more like pointing and laughing
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 14 September 2012 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
Morbs-ese has no room for subtlety.
― the only problem, i find, is juggling my cock (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 September 2012 17:46 (eleven years ago) link
just because "freaking out" is the only reaction Morbs can handle...
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 14 September 2012 17:48 (eleven years ago) link
man i forgot about High Crimes amidst all those other early 00s Ashley Judd thrillers.
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Friday, 14 September 2012 17:48 (eleven years ago) link
does a child killed by an american drone in pakistan care about how much money middle class people make?
― Mordy, Friday, 14 September 2012 17:50 (eleven years ago) link
If that ain't the question of the month...
― cue "White Rabbit" (kenan), Friday, 14 September 2012 17:53 (eleven years ago) link
savage-mule Democrat 'humor'
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 September 2012 17:56 (eleven years ago) link
"Is $100,000 middle income?" Stephanopoulos asked.
"No, middle income is $200,000 to $250,000 and less," Romney responded.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 14 September 2012 17:57 (eleven years ago) link
The homeless guy outside my office will be thrilled when I tell him the $5.24 he's collected this week qualifies him as "middle class".
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 14 September 2012 17:58 (eleven years ago) link
i don't know why the democratic party has (had) a reputation for being doves. from WW2 to Vietnam to Afghanistan, democrats are always are the forefront of the killing foreigners industry.
― Mordy, Friday, 14 September 2012 18:03 (eleven years ago) link
Americans love killing foreigners. Hell, Americans love killing full stop. We're a violent bunch.
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Friday, 14 September 2012 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
Meantime:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-filmmaker-20120914,0,6397127.story
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 September 2012 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
xp WW1 too
― Brad C., Friday, 14 September 2012 18:06 (eleven years ago) link
People with power in questionably using power shockah.
― the only problem, i find, is juggling my cock (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 September 2012 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
xp I keep making the mistake of thinking HuffPo is a reliable news source.
― Get wolves (DL), Friday, 14 September 2012 18:12 (eleven years ago) link
i'll field that. though it's something of a "trade secret", the american democratic party is actually allied with liberal/progressive ideals and voters! these tend to pacifism and a distrust of the military-industrial complex. though democratic presidents have often been just as hawkish as their republican counterparts, this is much less true of the party as a whole.
― i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Friday, 14 September 2012 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
ooh, a sarcasm detector, that's a real useful invention!
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 14 September 2012 18:20 (eleven years ago) link
the american democratic party is actually allied with liberal/progressive ideals and voters
i'm gonna let morbz field this one
― Mordy, Friday, 14 September 2012 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
this is true when "allied with" means "smiles fatuously while paying lip service to"
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 September 2012 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, if pacifist values don't seem to guide the democratic party's leadership, then i suppose it's fair to wonder whether they really mean anything to the party at all. want to compare this to the republicans' cynical alliance with socially conservative christians, but at least they go to bat for those values.
― i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Friday, 14 September 2012 18:29 (eleven years ago) link
the ratio of members of congress w/ pacifist values is fairly proportional to the % of americans w/ pacifist values
― iatee, Friday, 14 September 2012 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
clearly one needs to be a committed 'pacifist' to object to the u.s.'s openly imperial foreign policy post-1947.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 14 September 2012 18:33 (eleven years ago) link
it's all relative, and in america 'let's kill lotsa foreigners...just in case' is m/l the moderate position. the iraq war happened cause the majority of america was alright w/ it happening.
― iatee, Friday, 14 September 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
participating in politics to fight violence is like participating in business to fight capitalism.
― Mordy, Friday, 14 September 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think the bush admin would have spent eight months barraging the electorate with calumnies about hussein presenting an immediate danger to the u.s. if they were confident about 'the majority of america being alright w/it happening.'
funny how presidents won several major landslide elections by promising to keep us out of war (1916, 1940, 1964), seeing as how americans are such bloodthirsty warmongers and all.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 14 September 2012 18:40 (eleven years ago) link
i was using "pacifism" (incorrectly) to describe a clutch of related liberal/progressive values that might be described as "antiwar in a general sense". was shooting for efficiency, but probably just confused the issue.
― i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Friday, 14 September 2012 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
'lotsa people in the 20th century really didn't want to be drafted' doesn't have a lot to do w/ 'americans in 2012 are mostly cool w/ robots killing people in the middle east'
― iatee, Friday, 14 September 2012 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
well, there's also the fairly substantial (if all too often silent) group who oppose this or that war on principle
― i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Friday, 14 September 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
i'm not so entirely cynical as some of y'all
ya the silent hippie majority never seems to make it to the voting booth either, it's weird
― iatee, Friday, 14 September 2012 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
america is much more internationally violent than straight domestic polls would suggest
― goole, Friday, 14 September 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link