"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

They mentioned a volcano in Ben's childhood flashback.

Where have the rivers on the north end of the Island ever been mentioned? They're on almost all of the maps.

Michael Emerson to me: "you're going to learn things about ben's past this season that will make your hair stand on end"

these maps are based on Rousseau's original drawings right? that's probably where the rivers and crater are from. this one seems like the most accurate to me: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Image:TheLostMap_version_P.png

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Hmm, that one has the cable in a totally different place.

it seems about right though, just thinking back through the episodes and how much time they took to walk from one place to another, and where the other places are relative to the beach - the cable is definitely much nearer to, and the Hydra island further from, the castaways' camp than what the first map shows.

(btw, i don't really think it's that useful to think about this too much because like you said, a lot of these maps seem to rely on guesswork mostly).

The announcer for the Mets and Knicks has a vlog about Lost:

http://videogum.com/archives/vlogging/of-course-the-metsknicks-annou_048451.html#more

Does anyone else here listen to LOST podcasts? Most of them are pure lameness but the Dharma Dummies is pretty thoughtful & well produced. They specialize in multi-part character analysis episodes.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=dTm7QvMjz3U

hai ilx

these espisodes were cracking, were they not?
I am very much excited about the rest of the season.

bai ilx

woahhhhhh

omg omg omg

omg

Ferreal!

This ep kinda heavy handed imo

faraday love stuff is c-o-r-n-y buttttt WIDMORE

I guess they're doing the is-he-evil-or-not again with Faraday but at least he's a better character than Juliet. I still love how he lets the truth out at odd moments.

Loving the whole Locke/Alpert interaction cycle!

I'm actually a little disappointed that Alpert doesn't know what's going on at all points in time (future/past/present).

Widmore warning des to take penny away is a trick, right?

They obviously weren't hiding very far away in the first place if it only took two days to SAIL to Oxford.

what was the point of the birth scene?

Okay so who is Ellie to Daniel? Maybe Teresa(? the girl unstuck in time on Widmore life support?)'s mom or something?

WE JUST WALKED OVER A FRESH GRAVE.

xpost to trick us into thinking Faraday's mom was GLEEPGLOP BLOOPBLORP or whatever

It was kind of a dumb season 2 LOST trick to pull, and I guess they wanted to set up the cutesy omg the baby's called CHARLIE thing at the end. Would've rather had more Miles time.

When do you think they are now? The camp was gone, and that valley looks just like the one where the Barracks are/will be, have they gone FURTHER back?

Would've rather had more Miles time.

OTM

"I'm fine too"

Widmore definitely doesn't want Desmond (& Penny) mixed up in this funny business because he knows Ben is involved and Ben vowed to kill Penny.

Richard gets made because Locke doesn't recognize the compass John gives him, continues to test him over and over again to validate the fact that Richard saw Locke disappear before his very eyes & believe he was sent by Jacob which Locke wasn't, really - seems like he is almost managing to engineer his own fate! Telling Alpert he will be his leader in 50 years makes him the leader in 50 years. Love it.

Ellie = Eloise? Eloise Hawking, LA psychic/monk? Anyway good work upthread suggesting Daniel just might not know that his mom is not in Oxford.. but if that is his Mom, she's in cahoots with Ben and presumably Widmore as well? Looks dangerous.

My friend was speaking over the coma lady scene, how did Desmond know that that woman isn't Faraday's mom?

Latin, really? Others school? I like Juliette's cynical jokes but it would be nice to learn a few reasons why the Others are as bizarre as they are..though I guess we have some time to see what comes.

LOVED the turn at the end with Charles Widmore (and man was that guy hot! Reminded me of the actor who played Ian Curtis in Control?) being on the island from a young age. My guess is that sometime after Dharma lands and starts digging to create these hatches, the incident will occur (buried hydrogen bomb?) and Widmore will have to turn the wheel to fix/save the island. Did the bomb's location look familiar to anyone? I am bad with those kind of details but it could be what wasbehind that wall that Sayid likened to Chernobyl in the first hatch.

I wonder why the Others would have taken over that camp left behind by the military who'd attacked them, if they are natives? It's never really gotten into, where they sleep and camp.. I also wonder about Widmore's readiness to snap the other guy's neck and run off - seems against all the principles of the others that we know now. Maybe Widmore gets tossed off the island for this kind of behaviour?

lolsiest line for me = sawyer going "you told her?!"

kind of interesting thing posted on a forum I go to (none of this is mine, I just like the idea. I didn't see the preview, though, it didn't air on my channel)

We saw Sawyer in the previews say he saw Kate. I'm thinking that they end up in a time during season 2. When all the other survivors are still on the island.
Remeber when Kate walked out of the hatch and saw the Black Horse? What she really saw was Sawyer, only seeing Sawyer would create a Paradox, so either the Island or her own mind replaced it with somthing else she has loved in her past, the Black Horse. Im sure next episode Sawyer will sneak off to try and get supplies from the hatch, this is when it will happen.
This explains Eko seeing Yemi, and probaly Hurley seeing Dave. They were just replacement memories to avoid paradox's. Remeber when Yemi said to Eko "You speak to me as if I was your brother." I'm thinking this is somone with bad intentions, attempting to stop Eko from doing somthing.
Same with Dave and Hurley. Dave tried to kill Hurley by getting him to jump off the Cliff. Im thinking somone is time traveling on the island and attempting to kill Hurley to prevent a future event.
Same can be said for Christian leading Jack off a cliff. The Christian we saw then was nothing like the one we've seen in season 4. This christian looked like Bernie from weekend at Bernies, not speaking, and looking like a zombie. In season 4 he was talking, and seemed like the real Christian. It was somone Jack couldnt see with out creating a paradox.

Im positive about the Black Horse, the other examples just go along with the theory.

What does everyone think?

P.S. Props to everyone who said Libby and Faraday have a connection. Nice call.

http://4815162342.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52843&highlight=

er what was the Libby/Faraday connection I missed?

My friend was speaking over the coma lady scene, how did Desmond know that that woman isn't Faraday's mom?

what, the woman in the coma? she was too young to be faraday's mom .... desmond just went to see her because of the guy's comment ("after what he did to that woman" ... i.e. got her permanently unstuck in time). it was the only breadcrumb he could follow on his faraday trail

Okay so who is Ellie to Daniel? Maybe Teresa(? the girl unstuck in time on Widmore life support?)'s mom or something?

still think the white haired time lady is daniel's mom ... and we now know daniel's mom is in L.A. ... where Ben is

I remember someone, maybe here, talking about how they wished when the show was all complete that someone would put together a linear version of the show, showing all the flashbacks chronologically leading up to the stuff on the island, etc. Even trying to think of this stuff linearly, where x plot point slots in next to y, has become basically impossible.

Wait are you saying the white haired timecop lady is ALSO the young blonde woman w/ Faraday at the JUGHEAD site?

AND Daniel's mom and he recognizes her because she's HIS mother?

AND Daniel's mom and he recognizes her because she's HIS mother?

i'm willing to wager it's not his mom. enough.

― cutty, Sunday, 25 January 2009 22:10 (4 days ago) Bookmark

lol

just another old enough to be his mom time travel expert physicist livin in la where ben visited her

Ellie is Dan's mom who is also time church lady I think - she's met him so she's going to remember like Desmond did that her son is trapped in time, which could be why she's sent Ben to round up the Oceanic Sixers to bring them back to the island.

if Ellie is not Dan's mom, she could be Penny's mom. Have they mentioned whether Penny has ever met Dan?

what if when daniel sawyer ginger cowface and whoever else were standing around the blown-up hatch waiting for time change again one of them had climbed down into the crater and then time changed?

Almost creeping into Quantum Leap territory-- "Ziggy says there's a 97% probability you're here to tell the Others how to bury that Hydrogen bomb in concrete before you can jump again"--but still cool.

I literally jumped out of my seat when young Widmore was revealed.

Richard gets mad because Locke doesn't recognize the compass John gives him, continues to test him over and over again to validate the fact that Richard saw Locke disappear before his very eyes & believe he was sent by Jacob which Locke wasn't, really - seems like he is almost managing to engineer his own fate! Telling Alpert he will be his leader in 50 years makes him the leader in 50 years. Love it.

This is key. Locke telling Richard that Jacob sent him, when in actuality it was Christian who told him to move the Island--which caused Ben to be banished. Before I was convinced that Ben was a false leader but that was mostly because of what Richard said to Locke in SSN 3 about people questioning Ben's leadership. Now I think that Richard allowed himself to be misguided by his encounter with Locke in the past. So has Ben really been the rightful leader all along or is it one of the other 815ers/Freighties?

Seeing the Others pre-Mittelos, pre-Dharma seeming to have no idea about time travel is interesting. Makes me think they really were just on some primitive mystical shit & then a bunch of military guys showing up with an H-Bomb forced them to adapt to the new high-tech threats. Notice how they took the weapons and uniforms of the army guys they killed, just as they took over Dharma's facilities?

And why the hell didn't Jacob pick Richard as the leader?

Of course I mean "primitive mystical shit" that involves speaking Latin and dividing the world into good & bad people.

I also wanna know why Richard Alpert appears to be american while all the other Others are english.

btw that other who was pointing the gun at faraday was WS09 material. so hot.

god bless the hot Others.

so this makes Widmore roughly twenty plus years older than Ben who was born in the early 60s. You'd have to wonder when their rivalry began - Ben didn't show up on the island until he was about 11 or 12, and didn't take over as Other leader until the purge in 1992.

otm, I loved her.

Yeah, Ellie has to be Miss Hawking/Farday's mom--though I wonder why she didn't just tell him not to go to the island? Maybe she did & he didn't listen or she let him go because it would muck up the timestream to stop him.

I didn't see previews for next week, but the cast list is whoa!

i was waiting for someone to mention that
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coma chick is the girl in the picture in daniel's lab. he fucked up so he's trying to save charlotte because she is coma chick's constant maybe?