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― emil.y, Monday, 10 September 2012 14:26 (eleven years ago) link
(and she's the same age as Rory, isn't she?)
they have to be within a year or so of each other, per Let's Kill Hitler
― itt: i forgot that he yells at a butt (sic), Monday, 10 September 2012 14:29 (eleven years ago) link
I know, complaining about golf balls was just kind of a sarcastic sneer at myself. I'm not really bothered about them. And most of me thinks they were only there to justify a zing about testicles in any case.
Rory was in the year below her in school, I'm sure it says in the Mels flashback. Amy is 7 in the first part of The Eleventh Hour and waits for 12 years so she is about 19/20 at the start of her first season and is 21 when the Doctor heals her crack and reboots time (they get married on 26 June 2010). Being 31 means this episode takes place in 2020 - the same year as her other encounter with the Silurians, which could be an explanation for the other Amy & Rory in that story.
― passive-aggressive display name (aldo), Monday, 10 September 2012 15:04 (eleven years ago) link
most of me thinks they were only there to justify a zing about testicles in any case.
Ha, true.
is 21 when the Doctor heals her crack
o_O
― emil.y, Monday, 10 September 2012 15:07 (eleven years ago) link
Cheers, that makes sense.
― ailsa, Monday, 10 September 2012 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
lol emil.y beat me to it
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Monday, 10 September 2012 15:11 (eleven years ago) link
Her crack was never the same after Rory got swallowed up by it.
― passive-aggressive display name (aldo), Monday, 10 September 2012 15:17 (eleven years ago) link
I know what image I'm going to carry in mind all day now, thanks everyone.
― Ultramega OK Cupid (Leee), Monday, 10 September 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
Loved Rupert Graves and could watch whole series with him as a companion
Really? I thought he was dreadful, and the nudge-nudge wink-wink bits in this were really clunky and unfunny. Nefertiti wasn't much cop either.
The leads and Rory's dad were very good in this though, and the dino bits obviously. Whole series feels kind of expensive so far so expect a few episodes later on when they're basically locked in a room for 45mins.
― Matt DC, Monday, 10 September 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
I did laugh a little too hard at "Are you a queen, Amy Pond?" "... Yes. Yes I am."
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Monday, 10 September 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
There were a lot of funny parts to it, I was surprised. I really went in expecting nothing because Chibnall is generally so awful, but there was a lot of humor and also some unexpected character-related moments.
― NR’s resident heavy-metal expert (Nicole), Monday, 10 September 2012 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
Also: (and it's a subtle thing so maybe I'm reading too much into it) based on Smith's performance/Eleven's reactions I'd say that Eleven was taking Amy and Rory out for one last adventure before whatever happens to them happens to them and they aren't aware of it due to timey-wimeyness.
― NR’s resident heavy-metal expert (Nicole), Monday, 10 September 2012 18:48 (eleven years ago) link
expect a few episodes later on when they're basically locked in a room for 45mins.
I hope so.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 10 September 2012 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
midnight 2
― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Monday, 10 September 2012 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
Midnight is still my favorite RTD episode, I think he was much better when he had to be minimalist.
― NR’s resident heavy-metal expert (Nicole), Monday, 10 September 2012 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
Edge of Destruction 2
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 10 September 2012 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
xpost - me too, great ep
Like leee doesnt think of that all day anyway
― VOTE in the 1980's ROCK POLL PLEASE! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 10 September 2012 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
rewatching the season with midnight in, it's placement in that series, complementing Turn Left, makes them even more remarkable, and caps the season as the best nu-who season by some distance (even factoring in sontaran snoozer)
― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Monday, 10 September 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
yeah Midnight/Turn Left is probably nu-Who's most satisfying 1-2 punch
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Monday, 10 September 2012 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
Sontarans + Doctor's Daughter + Planet of the Ood + tbh a lot of Journey's End knock it below Season 5, imho.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 September 2012 19:22 (eleven years ago) link
Also I really like that absent Rory, Amy is super-competent.
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 September 2012 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
Is this actually the first time that we've seen the Doctor being a Doctor Doctor?
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 September 2012 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
Agreed.
― NR’s resident heavy-metal expert (Nicole), Monday, 10 September 2012 19:32 (eleven years ago) link
how many old Who adversaries have been resurrected on the nu-Who to date? I recall off the top of my head:
AutonsDaleksCybermen/CybermatsThe Macra <--- fucking lol btwThe SontaransThe Silurians
The Ice Warriors haven't appeared yet, have they? They really should at some point (I know they've been referenced)
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Monday, 10 September 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
oh duh The Master
actually they've had the Sontarans but haven't actually mentioned the Rutan, have they?
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Monday, 10 September 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
Sensorites - one of the Good stories talks about the Sense-sphere.
― passive-aggressive display name (aldo), Monday, 10 September 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
you know drs daughter wasn't nearly so bad on rewatching. ood was only middling. i am quite the heretic on season finales tho - I've disliked all moffs finales, quite liked flying-magic-space-jesus dr season 2, and thoroughly enjoyed journey's end ;-)
other continuity monsters mentioned in passing as well as sensorites - ice warriors, nimon
― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Monday, 10 September 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
Journey's End = FUCK YOU FOREVER, RTD. I will never forgive what he did to Donna, marrying her off to some random dude and giving her a lottery ticket doesn't make up for having her mind wiped.
― NR’s resident heavy-metal expert (Nicole), Monday, 10 September 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
tbh I thought the tragedy of Donna's fate and the danger if she ever rediscovered who The Doctor was, even though her mother and grandfather knew, was very strong storytelling
like, I hated that it happened because the evolution of Donna as a character was amazing, but it made narrative sense and was a semi-satisfying story (I agree the marriage was a little "um waht")
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Monday, 10 September 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP)
Human Nature/Blink? Or does that count as a 1-2-3?
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 10 September 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
Recurring classic enemies who have yet to be properly revived by my count: Ice Warriors, Sea Devils, Yetis, Rani
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 10 September 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link
well, "Blink" wasn't really tied to "Human Nature"/"The Family of Blood" at all so I'd say the actual 1-2 is HN/FOB, which I'd already read as a New Adventure and found more satisfying as a book than television episodes aside from the addition of ppl discounting Martha due to her race and her reactions to that
I think that the Sea Devils fall under the Silurian general banner
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Monday, 10 September 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
Were the any more major differences in the novel?
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 10 September 2012 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
"Good" should have been "Ood", obviously.
The Ice Warriors get talked about in Waters of Mars.The Face of Boe supposedly comes from the Isop Galaxy, where the Web Planet is set.Rutans are mentioned in the Sontaran story (NB may be SJA)Jamie gets a mention in Tooth & Claw because it's in ScotlandAxons died in the Time WarCalufrax is one of the missing planets in The Stolen Earth (I'm sure)In the Idiot's Lantern the Doctor on the antenna says "oh no, not again" ergo LogopolisTime Crash refers to a lot of the Wet Vet eraIn Dalek, the Cyberman head is from Attack of the CybermenDaemos (from the Daemons) is referred to in The Satan pit, as is SutekhThe Stolen Earth talks about the Dalek bomb in the centre of the Earth from DIoEThe drill in The Stolen Earth is what happens in InfernoThe spaceship in the Beast Below is menaced by solar flares at the same time as the Nerva Beacon TrilogyMatt Smith's fez is from The Silver Nemesis
There are more, I'm sure
― passive-aggressive display name (aldo), Monday, 10 September 2012 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
These links have a good rundown of the differences between the book and the two-parter:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Nature_%28Doctor_Who_episode%29#Comparison_with_the_novelhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_of_Blood#Comparison_with_the_novel
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Monday, 10 September 2012 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
Oh, the Alliance in The Pandorica Opens includes:
CheloniansDraconiansDrahvinsNesteneTereleptilsZygons
― passive-aggressive display name (aldo), Monday, 10 September 2012 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
We could go through a big list of everyone who's received a passing mention but I was more talking about adversaries who actually appeared on the show. Also, the Nestene Consciousness was in "Rose" and should be covered by "Autons"
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Monday, 10 September 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
(btw I do think HN/FOB was very good, my issue was that I basically knew the story already, having read the book multiple times, and its rewriting as a Martha story basically renders the entirety of the Virgin/BBC New Adventures era an extended alternative universe, which bums me out because Benny, Chris, Roz, Fitz and Compassion were all awesome)
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Monday, 10 September 2012 20:09 (eleven years ago) link
I thought you might say that, but I am watching the Vengeance On Varos remaster thus I win.
― passive-aggressive display name (aldo), Monday, 10 September 2012 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
I can't really argue against that
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Monday, 10 September 2012 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
It really is great, the Arak/Etta stuff is superb and The Doctor is about to die for the second time.
― passive-aggressive display name (aldo), Monday, 10 September 2012 20:29 (eleven years ago) link
season 22 is super underrated, I think because everyone only remembers "Timelash"
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Monday, 10 September 2012 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
Peri has just been turned into a bird, real-time followers.
― passive-aggressive display name (aldo), Monday, 10 September 2012 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
I'm trying to think of which companions got tortured the most/had the shittiest existences; the top five may be Adric, Peri, Jack, Turlough and Rory? (I know Katarina was blown out of an airlock and Sara Kingdom aged to death but, having never seen their stories, I don't know if there was a ton of torture before their deaths)
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Monday, 10 September 2012 20:42 (eleven years ago) link
Ian could be a reasonable shout. Grew up during The Blitz, GOT HIT BY A DALEK RAY AND SURVIVED, survived being the cause of the Big Bang (take that, Adric), faced execution for murder, faced execution for murder and survived it by becoming a gladiator, was a slave who escaped and saw time as a gladiator, staked out in the desert and smeared with honey to attract ants, chose to leave the Doctor using a botched Dalek time ship that he had no idea would work.
― passive-aggressive display name (aldo), Monday, 10 September 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
actually maybe I'm misremembering but wasn't Steven Taylor's entire reason for existing to give the writers someone to torture rather than the cute girl or the old man?
― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Monday, 10 September 2012 21:01 (eleven years ago) link
I'm trying to think of which companions got tortured the most/had the shittiest existences; the top five may be Adric, Peri, Jack, Turlough and Rory?
Jack seems to be into the torture so does it really count if the person enjoys it?
― NR’s resident heavy-metal expert (Nicole), Monday, 10 September 2012 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
Steven suffers a bit in The Myth Makers (gets stabbed and has bllod poisoning) but apart from that his worst fate is having to sing repeatedly in The Gunfighters.
― passive-aggressive display name (aldo), Monday, 10 September 2012 21:07 (eleven years ago) link