Sea Devils And Die: GeroniMoffat's Doctor Who In The 2010s

maybe it was a concrete floor, golf balls get mad action off of them

Yeah, but it bounced for ages. Went round corners and everything.

I did like this though.

magic spaceship gravity?

Timings of things are weird now too

Meant to ask you about this, as Rory said he was 31, and I thought they were much younger than this when we first met them, Amy had "only" been waiting 12 years for him to return from when she met him as a wee girl (and she's the same age as Rory, isn't she?)

When hearing the 31 I assumed this was meant to take place much later than Asylum of the Daleks.

Yeah, come on, are you honestly going to demand proof that golf balls can bounce really really far? Can you really not suspend your disbelief about that stuff while watching a FAMILY SHOW ABOUT A TIME-TRAVELLING ALIEN? There are things that should be critiqued as being contradictory within the show's own milieu (timings, for instance, yes), but there are a lot of other things that do not matter in the slightest. This is one of them.

Your point about Nefertiti kind of stands - she was pretty much just a strikingly beautiful Sun-god loving Queen who had been found on loads of artefacts. But I think she was also known as a fighter-among-men, so... I can let that go to an extent.

xposts to aldo

(and she's the same age as Rory, isn't she?)

they have to be within a year or so of each other, per Let's Kill Hitler

I know, complaining about golf balls was just kind of a sarcastic sneer at myself. I'm not really bothered about them. And most of me thinks they were only there to justify a zing about testicles in any case.

Rory was in the year below her in school, I'm sure it says in the Mels flashback. Amy is 7 in the first part of The Eleventh Hour and waits for 12 years so she is about 19/20 at the start of her first season and is 21 when the Doctor heals her crack and reboots time (they get married on 26 June 2010). Being 31 means this episode takes place in 2020 - the same year as her other encounter with the Silurians, which could be an explanation for the other Amy & Rory in that story.

most of me thinks they were only there to justify a zing about testicles in any case.

Ha, true.

is 21 when the Doctor heals her crack

o_O

Cheers, that makes sense.

lol emil.y beat me to it

Her crack was never the same after Rory got swallowed up by it.

I know what image I'm going to carry in mind all day now, thanks everyone.

Loved Rupert Graves and could watch whole series with him as a companion

Really? I thought he was dreadful, and the nudge-nudge wink-wink bits in this were really clunky and unfunny. Nefertiti wasn't much cop either.

The leads and Rory's dad were very good in this though, and the dino bits obviously. Whole series feels kind of expensive so far so expect a few episodes later on when they're basically locked in a room for 45mins.

I did laugh a little too hard at "Are you a queen, Amy Pond?" "... Yes. Yes I am."

There were a lot of funny parts to it, I was surprised. I really went in expecting nothing because Chibnall is generally so awful, but there was a lot of humor and also some unexpected character-related moments.

Also: (and it's a subtle thing so maybe I'm reading too much into it) based on Smith's performance/Eleven's reactions I'd say that Eleven was taking Amy and Rory out for one last adventure before whatever happens to them happens to them and they aren't aware of it due to timey-wimeyness.

expect a few episodes later on when they're basically locked in a room for 45mins.

I hope so.

midnight 2

Midnight is still my favorite RTD episode, I think he was much better when he had to be minimalist.

Edge of Destruction 2

xpost - me too, great ep

Like leee doesnt think of that all day anyway

rewatching the season with midnight in, it's placement in that series, complementing Turn Left, makes them even more remarkable, and caps the season as the best nu-who season by some distance (even factoring in sontaran snoozer)

yeah Midnight/Turn Left is probably nu-Who's most satisfying 1-2 punch

Sontarans + Doctor's Daughter + Planet of the Ood + tbh a lot of Journey's End knock it below Season 5, imho.

Also I really like that absent Rory, Amy is super-competent.

Is this actually the first time that we've seen the Doctor being a Doctor Doctor?

Sontarans + Doctor's Daughter + Planet of the Ood + tbh a lot of Journey's End knock it below Season 5, imho.

Agreed.

how many old Who adversaries have been resurrected on the nu-Who to date? I recall off the top of my head:

Autons
Daleks
Cybermen/Cybermats
The Macra <--- fucking lol btw
The Sontarans
The Silurians

The Ice Warriors haven't appeared yet, have they? They really should at some point (I know they've been referenced)

oh duh The Master

actually they've had the Sontarans but haven't actually mentioned the Rutan, have they?

Sensorites - one of the Good stories talks about the Sense-sphere.

you know drs daughter wasn't nearly so bad on rewatching. ood was only middling. i am quite the heretic on season finales tho - I've disliked all moffs finales, quite liked flying-magic-space-jesus dr season 2, and thoroughly enjoyed journey's end ;-)

other continuity monsters mentioned in passing as well as sensorites - ice warriors, nimon

Journey's End = FUCK YOU FOREVER, RTD. I will never forgive what he did to Donna, marrying her off to some random dude and giving her a lottery ticket doesn't make up for having her mind wiped.

tbh I thought the tragedy of Donna's fate and the danger if she ever rediscovered who The Doctor was, even though her mother and grandfather knew, was very strong storytelling

like, I hated that it happened because the evolution of Donna as a character was amazing, but it made narrative sense and was a semi-satisfying story (I agree the marriage was a little "um waht")

yeah Midnight/Turn Left is probably nu-Who's most satisfying 1-2 punch

― DARING PRINCESS (DJP)

Human Nature/Blink? Or does that count as a 1-2-3?

Recurring classic enemies who have yet to be properly revived by my count: Ice Warriors, Sea Devils, Yetis, Rani

well, "Blink" wasn't really tied to "Human Nature"/"The Family of Blood" at all so I'd say the actual 1-2 is HN/FOB, which I'd already read as a New Adventure and found more satisfying as a book than television episodes aside from the addition of ppl discounting Martha due to her race and her reactions to that

I think that the Sea Devils fall under the Silurian general banner

Were the any more major differences in the novel?

"Good" should have been "Ood", obviously.

The Ice Warriors get talked about in Waters of Mars.
The Face of Boe supposedly comes from the Isop Galaxy, where the Web Planet is set.
Rutans are mentioned in the Sontaran story (NB may be SJA)
Jamie gets a mention in Tooth & Claw because it's in Scotland
Axons died in the Time War
Calufrax is one of the missing planets in The Stolen Earth (I'm sure)
In the Idiot's Lantern the Doctor on the antenna says "oh no, not again" ergo Logopolis
Time Crash refers to a lot of the Wet Vet era
In Dalek, the Cyberman head is from Attack of the Cybermen
Daemos (from the Daemons) is referred to in The Satan pit, as is Sutekh
The Stolen Earth talks about the Dalek bomb in the centre of the Earth from DIoE
The drill in The Stolen Earth is what happens in Inferno
The spaceship in the Beast Below is menaced by solar flares at the same time as the Nerva Beacon Trilogy
Matt Smith's fez is from The Silver Nemesis

There are more, I'm sure

These links have a good rundown of the differences between the book and the two-parter:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Nature_%28Doctor_Who_episode%29#Comparison_with_the_novel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_of_Blood#Comparison_with_the_novel

Oh, the Alliance in The Pandorica Opens includes:

Chelonians
Draconians
Drahvins
Nestene
Tereleptils
Zygons

We could go through a big list of everyone who's received a passing mention but I was more talking about adversaries who actually appeared on the show. Also, the Nestene Consciousness was in "Rose" and should be covered by "Autons"

(btw I do think HN/FOB was very good, my issue was that I basically knew the story already, having read the book multiple times, and its rewriting as a Martha story basically renders the entirety of the Virgin/BBC New Adventures era an extended alternative universe, which bums me out because Benny, Chris, Roz, Fitz and Compassion were all awesome)

I thought you might say that, but I am watching the Vengeance On Varos remaster thus I win.

I can't really argue against that

It really is great, the Arak/Etta stuff is superb and The Doctor is about to die for the second time.

season 22 is super underrated, I think because everyone only remembers "Timelash"