didn't he fairly clearly act callously to stop Keamy thinking killing Alex was worthwhile? and there was the whole gigantic ashen faced grief he suffered afterwards, plus vowing to kill Widmore's daughter. but yeah maybe he's just bluffing....a lot.
― Local Garda, Sunday, 25 January 2009 15:37 (fifteen years ago) link
However it's very possible that the apparitions of Taller Ghost Walt/Christian/maybe Claire/possibly the cabin are not ghostly apparitions but actually jumping around in time.
(xpost)
― Matt DC, Sunday, 25 January 2009 15:39 (fifteen years ago) link
anyone speculated yet as to who got the court order to get the blood tests from kate and GOOBER?
― Local Garda, Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:06 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
my guess is that it's a ben thing - freak her out, make her flee, make her more amenable to going back
― s1ocki, Sunday, 25 January 2009 15:48 (fifteen years ago) link
i think its sun
― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Sunday, 25 January 2009 15:50 (fifteen years ago) link
I wonder why the Others always sent their only surgeon (Ethan) out alone to intercept or kill survivors of crashing planes.
― President Keyes, Sunday, 25 January 2009 15:54 (fifteen years ago) link
cos he got results damn it!
― Local Garda, Sunday, 25 January 2009 15:55 (fifteen years ago) link
that guy could kidnap pregnant aussies, kill steve/scott and hang charlie up on a tree all on his lonesome - dude is efficient.
― Disco/Very (Roz), Sunday, 25 January 2009 15:58 (fifteen years ago) link
re: Alex
haven't seen that episode in a while but i got the impression that ben was pretty confident that keamy was bluffing about killing Alex.
― Disco/Very (Roz), Sunday, 25 January 2009 16:04 (fifteen years ago) link
x-post Efficient and dead. No back-up.
― President Keyes, Sunday, 25 January 2009 16:07 (fifteen years ago) link
he also repaired watches and cut keys
― Local Garda, Sunday, 25 January 2009 16:09 (fifteen years ago) link
yes well i guess he didn't count on being killed by an Oasis-loving hobbit. xp
― Disco/Very (Roz), Sunday, 25 January 2009 16:11 (fifteen years ago) link
i <3 this show but cannot remember jack shit atm.
― special guest stars mark bronson, Sunday, 25 January 2009 16:11 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm beginning to wonder again about the good/bad people/lists thing. We haven't been reminded of this for a while whereas Seasons 1-3 were full of 'he's a good person!!' etc. My previous theory was that rather than being morally good etc they were in some way genetically 'good' or compatible with whatever testing they were doing on the island. Then it turned out that their medical type research was more to do with stopping pregnant women dying, so I wonder if it's got to do with their time-travelling storylines somehow. E.g. if they're 'good' to go back and do something because their pasts mean it doesn't conflict and cause impossibilities. Or if in the future they turn out to be on one side or the other in the Widmore/Ben fight.
Haven't really thought it through and it would be a bit of a stretch of the definitions of 'good'/'bad'. Any theories?
The problem with any theory of people being objectively good/bad is that we saw that Goodwin was going to be 'making a case' for Ana-Lucia as a 'good' person (and other cases where people were not definitely on either the good or bad lists). So perhaps it is just subjective character assessment after all.
List of who is good or bad: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Good_and_bad_people
― Not the real Village People, Sunday, 25 January 2009 17:01 (fifteen years ago) link
man, i had completely forgotten about the good/bad thing. one of the downsides of this show going more heavily into sci-fi territory is that it sort of loses or rather de-emphasises those parts of it that's also about faith/fate/"what it means to be a good person"/"regular joes being forced to confront themselves"/"daddy issues". i enjoy the sci-fi, action and conspiracy puzzles a lot but i miss the philosophical stuff too.
― Disco/Very (Roz), Sunday, 25 January 2009 17:15 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm hoping for a satisfying resolution on the pregnancy stuff--fearful that it's being written off as "oh that was just Ben's little project." It's like they had to have the Others working on SOMETHING for three seasons that wouldn't reveal their true objectives/nature/whatnot.
― President Keyes, Sunday, 25 January 2009 17:29 (fifteen years ago) link
I read somewheres that the show writers already established that the dharma dudes are attempting to save the world by changing the doomsday date with the numbers. So if the others are the "good" guys, they don't want to change the doomsday date, and the only way to make the pregnancy issue paramount is if the island is actually a colony-spaceship that is destined to survive doomsday, and they need to perpetuate species on the island.
Also, since the writers have set down the rule that all characters are related to other characters already seen in the past, this points to the chinese guy who sees dead people = pierre chang's babyand charlotte = sex change aaron from the future.
Everyone with special abilities has alien DNA. alien can also = future humans using Repo Man equivalency.Jacob = alien/future human
Prop bets:-In the last episode, the island lifts off the ground and rises into space-Jack sacrifices himself and turns into the magnetic pulse that brought down the airplane in the first place
― Philip Nunez, Sunday, 25 January 2009 18:08 (fifteen years ago) link
i am sort of annoyed because basically i know that the final 10 minutes of the last episode is going to involve jack and kate lying down to die in the cave and become adam and eve intercut with scenes of the whole crew at the airport getting ready to take off back in 2003
― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Sunday, 25 January 2009 18:14 (fifteen years ago) link
I heard an interesting theory about why Matthew Fox is the only one of the actors who claims to know how the show is going to end--
He's already shot the final scene of the series--and they had to shoot it back in 04-05 because it includes young Walt.
― President Keyes, Sunday, 25 January 2009 18:23 (fifteen years ago) link
I want to know where those stones are, if Jack and Kate are going to become Adam & Eve - Jack took them, but did he really keep them with him through being kidnapped by the Others, crashing in the helicopter, listening to the Pixies, etc?
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Sunday, 25 January 2009 18:40 (fifteen years ago) link
as far as the island moving around... anyone know how big it isbecause - it's probably bound to strike land, maybe canada http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_impact_craters_on_Earth
― CaptainLorax, Sunday, 25 January 2009 19:16 (fifteen years ago) link
how about dem worms?
― CaptainLorax, Sunday, 25 January 2009 19:24 (fifteen years ago) link
― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Sunday, 25 January 2009 18:14 (1 hour ago)
how do you know that and why don't you warn people about spoilers. it seems like everybody has an adam and eve theory for some god damn reason
― CaptainLorax, Sunday, 25 January 2009 20:01 (fifteen years ago) link
cap i dont actually know thts what gonna happen i just think probably it will
― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Sunday, 25 January 2009 20:12 (fifteen years ago) link
why would it land on canada? we're so nice! :(
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Sunday, 25 January 2009 20:13 (fifteen years ago) link
I think Adam and Eve are going to be Rose and Bernard, personally.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Sunday, 25 January 2009 20:14 (fifteen years ago) link
Nikki & Paolo, obv.
― Not the real Village People, Sunday, 25 January 2009 20:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Des & Pen have nowhere else to go either.. well, except Oxford.
Hmm. If Faraday's mom is in Oxford and Ben was in LA with Jack and Locke's body, we can assume Ben *probably* didn't find the time to fly to Oxford to talk to the oracle, but that instead she was in LA as well? Though with Ben you can't assume anything..
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Sunday, 25 January 2009 20:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Perfectly plausible that Crazy Time Lady is Daniel's mother. Remember Des has already met her once before, in London, and that she played a pretty big role in guiding him to the island. I'd say it's more likely that she can be in two places at once, or in some way get between them very quickly. In any case, Daniel probably doesn't know for sure that she'll be in Oxford when Desmond arrives.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 25 January 2009 21:49 (fifteen years ago) link
The thing we're forgetting is that Faraday had been living in the year 2005 just before the time jumping began--so when he meets Hatch Desmond & tells him to go to Oxford, that might be where the Time Lady was in 2005. The scene between Ben and the Time Lady in CA is presumably happening in 2007. So Time Lady could be Faraday's mom.
I don't know what year it is that Des wakes up with the new memory--but he and Penny are still living on that boat, so maybe it's still 2005.
― President Keyes, Sunday, 25 January 2009 21:57 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm willing to wager it's not his mom. enough.
― cutty, Sunday, 25 January 2009 22:10 (fifteen years ago) link
I think she said something about him being off the island for three years, but I like the way you and Matt think
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Sunday, 25 January 2009 22:12 (fifteen years ago) link
cut down by cutty
Can I shamelessly pimp something I've been working on for work? (Contains: double ep. recap, Iain Lee, etc...):
The Lost Initiative Web Show, Episode 1
― Savannah Smiles, Monday, 26 January 2009 00:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Cool show, what did you do on it?
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Monday, 26 January 2009 01:44 (fifteen years ago) link
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x18/gr8080/n501651652_1784493_4392.jpg
― gr8080, Monday, 26 January 2009 09:12 (fifteen years ago) link
uh
holy SHIT!!!
― roxymuzak, Monday, 26 January 2009 09:18 (fifteen years ago) link
zomg
― Dan I., Monday, 26 January 2009 10:30 (fifteen years ago) link
kinda jealous but would also be disappointed that he's not just like Ben
is it likely that Locke (or anyone) could run into THEMSELVES on the island? i'm thinking kinda cliched scenes where they have to avoid being seen by their previous self but save them somehow - probably best not to start doing that but when they're shifting back in time it's so inviting
― Bondzilla vs Mechaholmes (blueski), Monday, 26 January 2009 11:15 (fifteen years ago) link
!!! super jealous of gr8080 right now
― Disco/Very (Roz), Monday, 26 January 2009 11:28 (fifteen years ago) link
xpost Maybe they're the whispers in the trees.
― Disco/Very (Roz), Monday, 26 January 2009 11:36 (fifteen years ago) link
also would like to see how Richard finds out the O6 did make it back home (as he revealed to Locke). presumably he jumps fwd in time and off the island? more like Desmond than Ben presumably.
― Bondzilla vs Mechaholmes (blueski), Monday, 26 January 2009 12:37 (fifteen years ago) link
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v466/sjolly/2z66sl5.gif
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 26 January 2009 16:20 (fifteen years ago) link
i just can't get enough of Ben's face there - truly an acting masterclass
― Bondzilla vs Mechaholmes (blueski), Monday, 26 January 2009 16:37 (fifteen years ago) link
You know, one of the things that really bothers me about this show is how there will be extended periods of time when nothing spooky happens. This is an island with a giant smoke monster, weird voices, ghosts, a terrifying specter that lives in a creepy shack, etc., etc., and yet everyone on the island seems totally cool with it now. Juliet, who to my knowledge had never lived on the island until the end of Season 3, doesn't seem to be experiencing any weirdness. Smokey and the crazy alarm sounds haven't been used in awhile, even though the castaways are in the past, back when it might have still been normal for them to be used (or polar bears or etc.). Yet it seems like they're just traipsing around the island without any worries apart from the other people on the island, despite having no weapons or tools to speak of.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Monday, 26 January 2009 18:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Juliet, who to my knowledge had never lived on the island until the end of Season 3, doesn't seem to be experiencing any weirdness.
Juliet has been on the island much longer than the Oceanic passengers!
― Barack You Like A Husseincane (HI DERE), Monday, 26 January 2009 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link
I thought she lived on the island next to the island.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Monday, 26 January 2009 18:43 (fifteen years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliet_Burke
― Barack You Like A Husseincane (HI DERE), Monday, 26 January 2009 18:45 (fifteen years ago) link
no, the others' village was on the main island, the research facilities were on the second island
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 26 January 2009 18:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Right, so how come the Others don't hear voices, is my main question.
Is that a phenomenon created by the Others?
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Monday, 26 January 2009 18:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Juliet showed a lot of fear the night she and Kate were handcuffed together & faced Smokey (but some may have been acting since we later learn she handcuffed herself to Kate)
What about the scene where Juliet runs into the therapist lady - Goodwin's wife in the jungle? There were whispers in that scene, did she react to them? Anyone remember?
I think "how come the Others don't hear voices" is one of the reasons we are watching the show - the others give almost nothing away about themselves which makes us want to know! ;)
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 26 January 2009 18:55 (fifteen years ago) link