Which is well set up by the chase scene that leads up to the cops having Batman completely surrounded - - thought that was genuinely exciting and supported the story well
yeah, that was the only action scene in the film that i really enjoyed in the way that i expect to enjoy superhero films: tense, thrilling and more than a little ridiculous.
― contenderizer, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:34 (eleven years ago) link
i don't really know what people would say about the Joker in this movie that wouldn't be awkward "this guy's almost as crazy as the Joker!" type shit.
this.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:37 (eleven years ago) link
joker was a lone nut who stuck his nose in the mob drama consuming gotham, once he was caught, the ending of the mob shit was definitely the bigger story. Part of my lack of enthusiasm with the film was that it was definitely more of a sequel to Batman Begins than the Dark Knight but shoehorning references to the dark knight that have nothing to do with the subject of the film would not have improved it.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:40 (eleven years ago) link
Now if they had made the film I wanted them to, with Batman having to endure a rogues gallery of mob bosses with bizarre aesthetic tastes, THEN they should have been like "hey remember the joker"
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:41 (eleven years ago) link
im gonna guess all jokermention was omitted out of respect to ledger or something
― WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:41 (eleven years ago) link
this movie definitely has so many references to someone named Harvey who wasn't there that i half-expected Jimmy Stewart to show up
― Pollopolicía (some dude), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:42 (eleven years ago) link
well the plot had nothing to do with joker anyway, but yeah, since we all know the real reason there's no joker action why bother with any gratuitous joker mention.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:43 (eleven years ago) link
no mention at all is definitely preferable to covering their asses with a "the Joker died on the way to his home planet" aside
― Pollopolicía (some dude), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 02:51 (eleven years ago) link
feels appropriate to the nolan batman vibe that after being caught the joker has been sitting in jail for the better part of a decade and didn't just dance out for more adventures immediately like in the comics.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 03:18 (eleven years ago) link
i think nolan said in an interview that the joker was executed for hsi crimes
― WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 03:27 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i'm glad he left that out of the movie
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 August 2012 03:30 (eleven years ago) link
― Pollopolicía (some dude), Monday, August 13, 2012 9:51 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I want this, with the Poochie animation
― your native bacon (mh), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 04:15 (eleven years ago) link
can we talk a bit about how mesmerizing Cillian Murphy still is in 2012
― "Pffft" --buddha (silby), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 05:24 (eleven years ago) link
just thinking about those eyes
― "Pffft" --buddha (silby), Tuesday, 14 August 2012 05:25 (eleven years ago) link
― da croupier, Tuesday, August 14, 2012 2:43 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Because they mention Dent so much and take such pains to make this a resolution to the "trilogy."
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 00:56 (eleven years ago) link
Dent pretty central to the story and the themes though
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 01:03 (eleven years ago) link
also wtf at Nolan saying the Joker was executed. Do u even like Batman dude
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 01:06 (eleven years ago) link
the thing I liked most about the nolan Batmans is that they didn't just murder the villains in the end, but Nolan is just like eh nevermind they get executed later
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 01:07 (eleven years ago) link
did Nolan actually say that though?
― Number None, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 01:15 (eleven years ago) link
I just take whatever Hungry4Ass says as gospel
― Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 01:19 (eleven years ago) link
I do like the idea in Batman, or maybe just the comics, that Arkham is pretty much like a bullpen, and every once in a while there's a call up and a criminal escapes and wrecks havoc on Gotham.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 01:25 (eleven years ago) link
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
WHAT STORY AND WHAT THEMES
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 04:33 (eleven years ago) link
the dent stuff and the way it relates is just soooo stupid...
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 04:34 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/NTWaP.jpg?1
― Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 06:49 (eleven years ago) link
whether you think the Dent relation is stupid or not doesn't really matter. It's there because it relates (infinite detention, etc) to the story.
― Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 07:01 (eleven years ago) link
it matters to me because i had to sit through 3 hours of it
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 13:56 (eleven years ago) link
The entire "we built the city's peace on a house of cards" angle only works as window-dressing and is the tie from movie 2 to movie 3, but it's such a weak tie. Bane reading Gordon's letter did nothing to the plot whatsoever. The entire "politicians and policemen need to stay honest" part of the movie was ehhhh
― your native bacon (mh), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 14:06 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, that stuff was just nothing.
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 14:07 (eleven years ago) link
movie needed less of that, more plane terror and Catwoman bar negotiation hijinks
― your native bacon (mh), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 14:07 (eleven years ago) link
Harvey Dent is the heart and soul of the entire franchise. They should retroactively insert him into the first one, Lucas-style. They should also put him in most other movies.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 14:08 (eleven years ago) link
So has Cat Woman just been chilling in Gotham for years, or was she just passing through?
Nolan: you can't bury the truth, even with a batshovel!
Audience: what? who cares
― your native bacon (mh), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 14:08 (eleven years ago) link
You can bury a nuclear fusion device, but you can't bury the truth!
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 14:11 (eleven years ago) link
― your native bacon (mh), Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:06 AM Bookmark
Agreed that the letter-reading was totally irrelevant. I think the general issue of the suppressed truth WAS relevant, because it has to do with Batman figuring out whether the things he's done as Batman have made things better or worse, and whether "white lies" can be justified. The key scene in a way is Alfred telling him about Rachel's letter - - - ie., about Alfred's white lie for a greater good, and Batman totally can't take it. And as the audience we're pissed at him at that moment. So the movie's forcing you to acknowledge on some level that Bruce's policy isn't consistent, that his moral compass has gotten out of whack, and that while he started down this path with good intentions, he's sort of gotten everything muddied up along the way.
Somewhat less effective is the scene with JG-L confronting Gordon about the Dent lie, just because it comes out of nowhere and Gordon is so likable, and the story is set up where JG-L is ultimately supposed to change his mind and realize Gordon is right, which sort of undermines all that stuff I was just talking about. This is why I think the movie does have themes, but that they're inconsistently played to the point where it does become easy to fret about plot minutia.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 14:31 (eleven years ago) link
JG-L is ultimately supposed to change his mind and realize Gordon is right
I didn't get this at all. His distaste for Gordon burying the truth and using Batman as a scapegoat becomes less important in the face of the events of the plot, but I don't think it's ever really dismissed. The John Blake character arc has a lot more to do with discovering that blindly following authority has its pitfalls as he keeps bumping against bureaucracy -- which Gordon was part of in name, but he was good at going off on his own -- and he ends up leaving the police after the GCPD fires on him and blows the bridge because they won't believe him and follow their orders.
― your native bacon (mh), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 14:35 (eleven years ago) link
Bane reading Gordon's letter did nothing to the plot whatsoever.
It got the people of Gotham all revved up about going into the prison and letting out all the criminals who'd been incarcerated there, which kinda kicked off the whole Scarecrow-court reign-of-terror thing.
― Darren Robocopsky (Phil D.), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 14:36 (eleven years ago) link
On second thought, he does end up telling the kids to get back on the bus and justifies it to the orphanage director by saying that he'd rather they have hope, even if they're going to die, so you're right that he does end up believing there's a use to white lies.
― your native bacon (mh), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
xxxpost Right, agreed, but then at the very end at the funeral he seems kind of won over to the idea that Batman is bigger as an "idea" than Bruce Wayne as a man, which seems like a related concept. Which is why he then bothers to go find the Batcave, right? I mean, I assume he's not there to dig all the stuff up and show the world the TRUTH, he's there to become a new Batman and engage in the same kind of "greater good" lies that work outside the normal channels of civil society. His ditching the police force and "normal" ways of getting things done is basically him choosing vigilantism.
xxpost I still don't get that the "people" of Gotham had anything to do with anything Bane did except as victims - - felt like he started the movie with an army of thugs and continued to have the same army.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
i keep thinking about that horrible statue scene now
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
There was an 8 year jump from the last movie so she could well have been chilling in gotham for years
― da croupier, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 14:41 (eleven years ago) link
I swear that statue was created from the same model as the Mountain Dew Batman in-store cooler thing
― your native bacon (mh), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 14:42 (eleven years ago) link
Kind of wish Bane had looked like this:
http://images1.variety.com/graphics/photos/_mugh/hardy_tom_2012.jpg
― Earth, Wind & Fire & Alabama (Eazy), Thursday, 16 August 2012 04:24 (eleven years ago) link
no face though. just a beard.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 16 August 2012 04:31 (eleven years ago) link
they expect one beard in the wreckage, BROTHER
― Nhex, Thursday, 16 August 2012 04:47 (eleven years ago) link
the movie should have just been bruce wayne's wild adventure trying to get from a hole in the desert to his girlfriend in lockdown gotham with bum knees and no money, this wacky bearded fellow tripping him up all along the way. Then at the end, TWIST. The bearded fellow, he is BAAAANE.
― da croupier, Thursday, 16 August 2012 11:10 (eleven years ago) link
i totally had fun watching this! it's so escapist! nolan loves the surface of surfaces! and making that look all heavy and deep when it's so obviously not! it's great and all i wanted from a batman movie tbh
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Saturday, August 4, 2012 11:53 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah i had an embarrassing amount of fun watching this, don't know that i head-banged but i definitely fist-pumped at least once
― flopson, Monday, 20 August 2012 19:38 (eleven years ago) link
so should I bother seeing this
― Shameful Dead Half Choogle (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 20 August 2012 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
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― Doctor Casino, Monday, 20 August 2012 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
but no
― adam, Monday, 20 August 2012 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
shakey: not if you are going to be a whiny crank about it
― flopson, Monday, 20 August 2012 20:29 (eleven years ago) link