"I Hope You're Happy Now, Jacob"--The LOST Season 5 Thread

During the recap it was amusing to see that Ben's dad = Uncle Rico

I thought one of the cops was Abbadon at first, too. Really tall skinny guy. But I guess not...

During the recap it was amusing to see that Ben's dad = Uncle Rico

u mean laszlo

yeah I re-watched the episode and I noticed that they do a really good job of never showing the guy's face (even when Cheech drives by and waves, you only see his partner's face) and the guy's frame is a duplicate of Abbadon's. I do believe that if Hurley had gotten close enough to see him he would have said something, though.. he's not credited in the episode on IMDB or Lostpedia so I guess I just have to chalk it up to a mistake. Alas.

Also in rewatching the episodes, I wondered if the reason Sun wants to kill Ben is because Jeremy Bentham did visit her, and told her his murder of Keamy is what blew up the freighter. For this to be true, though, Jin would have to not show up on the island, or Locke would see him? Maybe Jin will get sent to another time and thus manage to avoid Locke. Can you tell I want Jin not to have died? Hah.

Sun is totally working with Ben.

Maybe! I love this show.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season5/5x02a/5x02-thelie-215.jpg

okay, when I rewatched it was on an ipod screen so I only saw his face in the shadows, I lose

Clearly what this series needs is an action sequence where Sayid, Ben and Jack break Hurley out of prison.

Maybe that guy is Abaddon's body double. I also thought it was Sawyer running the camera in the Dr. Candle scene but on second look it was just a dirty hippie.

damned dirty hippies

did we talk about this in the s4 finale:

Widmore: are you here to kill me?
Ben: we both know i can't do that

Props to the producers for having Daniel lay out the "rules" in this episode. In that context, this leads me to believe that the Ben-Widmore scene actually takes place in the past somehow.

Locke isn't really dead, he's only playing dead to get them back to the island. He was bit by one of the medusa spiders that the models from S2(?) took when they were buried alive.

That sounds like the sort of emotionally satisfying conclusion that television writers of this caliber generally reach for when wrapping up their most important character and plot points.

It will be interesting to see how he dies. The implication at the moment seems to be that he won't be dead if they can all get back to the island. A couple of questions:

- Will the island actually "resurrect" him? (Because he died off-island he isn't actually dead.)
- Does the time limitation relate to only one particular moment when they can get back, or is the issue that if they don't get back before then Locke will really be dead.

i thought the first scene of the first episode was pretty goofy. "sure, mack, travelling thru time, whatever you say pal"... i mean that was pretty bad, good faraday reveal aside. and the guy who plays chang is a really terrible actor.

i also thought the charlotte thing meant she was pregnant but the constant thing makes more sense i guess

I think the guy who plays Chang is hitting just the right notes, with the bizarre kind of character he's supposed to be.

Props to the producers for having Daniel lay out the "rules" in this episode. In that context, this leads me to believe that the Ben-Widmore scene actually takes place in the past somehow.

I think we're talking about different sets of rules: the facts of time travel vs. the rules of engagement.

I don't think Charlotte's problem is constant-related. Everyone who had that issue also was experiencing the time-jumping phenomenon that afflicted Fisher Stevens on the boat. Charlotte isn't experiencing that.

she sort of is. she's both mentally and physically time-jumping whereas the guys on the boat were just mentally time-jumping.

"every other film where nosebleeds=minddeath"

BUTTERFLY EFFECT man

it has to be something similar to Desmond since they give her the exact same creepy nosebleed. also worth noting the builder dude in the cave at the beginning of the episode who is carted off has the same bleeding from his nose. maybe it's just exposure to electromagnetic energy or whatever it is that causes the time lapses...

anyone speculated yet as to who got the court order to get the blood tests from kate and GOOBER?

also just some of the general time issues are really confusing...if Locke is shot by Ethan in the past, then how does Ethan now know him in the future (ie in Series 1) Or what "future" was that if Ethan would only gain the memory as a result of the current time travel?

I'm guessing this time flipping stuff is what Jacob's List was about-- perhaps some of the 815ers were seen in the past (by Jacob?) doing important things.

good interview with damon lindelof: http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/01/lost_damon_lindelof_qa.html

i wonder if that episode where Locke dreams about Horace Goodspeed building the cabin - the time-looping, and Horace's nose-bleeding - was hinting at something. i thought that the nose-bleed there was referring to Ben causing the purge but maybe not. that dream led Locke to the cabin where Christian, not Jacob, told him he had to move the island.

I read some speculation somewhere (here? apologies if so) that the reason Ben may have been so callous when Keamy had Alex at gunpoint is because he'd already travelled to a future where Alex still exists and thus "knew" she couldn't be killed (but then the rules changed.)

ooh that's a good one.

I think it's much more straightforward than that, and Ben and Widmore just had some sort of 'don't kill the children' pact that Widmore/Keamy then broke. I just don't think Alex is that significant in that they clearly capped her, Rousseau and Carl to keep the cast numbers down.

didn't he fairly clearly act callously to stop Keamy thinking killing Alex was worthwhile? and there was the whole gigantic ashen faced grief he suffered afterwards, plus vowing to kill Widmore's daughter. but yeah maybe he's just bluffing....a lot.

However it's very possible that the apparitions of Taller Ghost Walt/Christian/maybe Claire/possibly the cabin are not ghostly apparitions but actually jumping around in time.

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anyone speculated yet as to who got the court order to get the blood tests from kate and GOOBER?

― Local Garda, Sunday, January 25, 2009 11:06 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

my guess is that it's a ben thing - freak her out, make her flee, make her more amenable to going back

i think its sun

I wonder why the Others always sent their only surgeon (Ethan) out alone to intercept or kill survivors of crashing planes.

cos he got results damn it!

that guy could kidnap pregnant aussies, kill steve/scott and hang charlie up on a tree all on his lonesome - dude is efficient.

re: Alex

haven't seen that episode in a while but i got the impression that ben was pretty confident that keamy was bluffing about killing Alex.

x-post Efficient and dead. No back-up.

he also repaired watches and cut keys

yes well i guess he didn't count on being killed by an Oasis-loving hobbit. xp

i <3 this show but cannot remember jack shit atm.

I'm beginning to wonder again about the good/bad people/lists thing. We haven't been reminded of this for a while whereas Seasons 1-3 were full of 'he's a good person!!' etc. My previous theory was that rather than being morally good etc they were in some way genetically 'good' or compatible with whatever testing they were doing on the island. Then it turned out that their medical type research was more to do with stopping pregnant women dying, so I wonder if it's got to do with their time-travelling storylines somehow. E.g. if they're 'good' to go back and do something because their pasts mean it doesn't conflict and cause impossibilities. Or if in the future they turn out to be on one side or the other in the Widmore/Ben fight.

Haven't really thought it through and it would be a bit of a stretch of the definitions of 'good'/'bad'. Any theories?

The problem with any theory of people being objectively good/bad is that we saw that Goodwin was going to be 'making a case' for Ana-Lucia as a 'good' person (and other cases where people were not definitely on either the good or bad lists). So perhaps it is just subjective character assessment after all.

List of who is good or bad: http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Good_and_bad_people

man, i had completely forgotten about the good/bad thing. one of the downsides of this show going more heavily into sci-fi territory is that it sort of loses or rather de-emphasises those parts of it that's also about faith/fate/"what it means to be a good person"/"regular joes being forced to confront themselves"/"daddy issues". i enjoy the sci-fi, action and conspiracy puzzles a lot but i miss the philosophical stuff too.

I'm hoping for a satisfying resolution on the pregnancy stuff--fearful that it's being written off as "oh that was just Ben's little project." It's like they had to have the Others working on SOMETHING for three seasons that wouldn't reveal their true objectives/nature/whatnot.

I read somewheres that the show writers already established that the dharma dudes are attempting to save the world by changing the doomsday date with the numbers. So if the others are the "good" guys, they don't want to change the doomsday date, and the only way to make the pregnancy issue paramount is if the island is actually a colony-spaceship that is destined to survive doomsday, and they need to perpetuate species on the island.

Also, since the writers have set down the rule that all characters are related to other characters already seen in the past, this points to
the chinese guy who sees dead people = pierre chang's baby
and charlotte = sex change aaron from the future.

Everyone with special abilities has alien DNA.
alien can also = future humans using Repo Man equivalency.
Jacob = alien/future human

Prop bets:
-In the last episode, the island lifts off the ground and rises into space
-Jack sacrifices himself and turns into the magnetic pulse that brought down the airplane in the first place

i am sort of annoyed because basically i know that the final 10 minutes of the last episode is going to involve jack and kate lying down to die in the cave and become adam and eve intercut with scenes of the whole crew at the airport getting ready to take off back in 2003

I heard an interesting theory about why Matthew Fox is the only one of the actors who claims to know how the show is going to end--

He's already shot the final scene of the series--and they had to shoot it back in 04-05 because it includes young Walt.

I want to know where those stones are, if Jack and Kate are going to become Adam & Eve - Jack took them, but did he really keep them with him through being kidnapped by the Others, crashing in the helicopter, listening to the Pixies, etc?

as far as the island moving around... anyone know how big it is
because - it's probably bound to strike land, maybe canada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_impact_craters_on_Earth

how about dem worms?

i am sort of annoyed because basically i know that the final 10 minutes of the last episode is going to involve jack and kate lying down to die in the cave and become adam and eve intercut with scenes of the whole crew at the airport getting ready to take off back in 2003

― 8====D ------ ㋡ (max), Sunday, 25 January 2009 18:14 (1 hour ago)

how do you know that and why don't you warn people about spoilers. it seems like everybody has an adam and eve theory for some god damn reason