oh yeah catwoman had no reason to be in it but then nor did anything else. cotillard had a reason to be in it but pretty much wasn't. the movie's judgments about whom and what should be given screen time and how much were so weird that i just focused on catwoman's dece oneliners and her studied cartoon movement, and bane's inflections, instead of on her irrelevant flashdrive macguffin (where the fuck does bruce suddenly get it from, by the way, near the end? i probably missed something) or his exhausting empty it's-power-no-it's-communism-no-it's-revenge-no-it's-a-girl-oh-he's-dead motive shuffle.
loled when morgan freeman introduced THE BAT with something like "it was designed for urban pacification." no wonder you guys are broke, you designed a manned vehicle for urban pacification. get w the times.
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 4 August 2012 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, where the fuck is the Bat Drone? Get on it!
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 4 August 2012 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
you people who wanna see HOW batman does every single thing he does kinda don't get batman imo
― some random MC rappin' mcdude (some dude), Saturday, 4 August 2012 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
otm
― Number None, Saturday, 4 August 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
I'll settle for "why" things happen, then I'll get around to complaining about "how."
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 4 August 2012 15:39 (eleven years ago) link
the movie fit together enough while i was watching it that honestly i am happy to reconcile most of the plot holes or leaps of logic with the knowledge that it's a fucking batman movie
― some random MC rappin' mcdude (some dude), Saturday, 4 August 2012 15:45 (eleven years ago) link
if it was a hard sci-fi movie or a historically based movie (or even the 'true crime' movie some loons thought the last one was) it might drive me up a wall but nope, fucking batman movie, it's all good bruh
― some random MC rappin' mcdude (some dude), Saturday, 4 August 2012 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
i totally had fun watching this! it's so escapist! nolan loves the surface of surfaces! and making that look all heavy and deep when it's so obviously not! it's great and all i wanted from a batman movie tbh
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Saturday, 4 August 2012 15:53 (eleven years ago) link
xp! totally
again, i would have forgiven this movie a lot if i had had any fun watching it, i don't really care about most leaps of logic if i'm distracted by bat-antics
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Saturday, 4 August 2012 15:54 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah the plot issues weren't "holes" so much as just dramatically inert. Motivations were opaque to me.
― ryan, Saturday, 4 August 2012 15:56 (eleven years ago) link
i saw it in faux-imax and the sound was such that it shook the seats, so i give some points to that for visceral entertainment value
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Saturday, 4 August 2012 15:57 (eleven years ago) link
are you sure that wasn't because you were headbanging so hard
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Saturday, 4 August 2012 15:57 (eleven years ago) link
i'm gonna say maybe
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Saturday, 4 August 2012 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
so that's a yes.
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Saturday, 4 August 2012 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
it makes it hard to watch a movie but when something rocks what can you do
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Saturday, 4 August 2012 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
maybe it helped that i only understood 30% of bane's lines
It was just some stuff about revolution so you didn't need to understand all of it.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 4 August 2012 16:09 (eleven years ago) link
i bet if there had been a big metal apparatus on the mouths of most of the characters in prometheus, i might have liked that too
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Saturday, 4 August 2012 16:15 (eleven years ago) link
WHEE WHGRH SHO... WRRNGG
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 4 August 2012 16:26 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― mythical mickey rourke jacket (latebloomer), Saturday, 4 August 2012 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
Just got back from seeing this for a second time, and really enjoyed it again. It cemented in my kind that, despite all the faux social commentary and depth, it IS a comic book movie, just a very serious and bleak one. Also picked up on a lot of little bits of foreshadowing and plot bits that I'd missed first time out - like Talia being the one who tags the wrong truck, etc.
Better than the naysayers say, not as good as the fawning fanboys say, not as good as TDK, but ends the trilogy well, and thoroughly enjoyable.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 4 August 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
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― WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, 4 August 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
"where did batman suddenly get this item half the plot is revolving around and treating as very important and lecturing us about whenever possible even tho it hasn't yet decided whether or not it actually exists" is not exactly a nitpick on the level of "hey how come batman's so good at flying experimental planes" or whatever
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:00 (eleven years ago) link
thing is when batman flies a crazy plane its cool so u dont care
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:06 (eleven years ago) link
he's a supersmart rich guy with his own tech specialist. and it wouldn't be out of character for him to have been deceiving catwoman about whether it exists. (xpost)
― some white dude (some dude), Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:07 (eleven years ago) link
i didnt really care about that tbh, that explanation is perfectly valid
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:07 (eleven years ago) link
How long until a "Downfall"-style meme kicks in, with people redubbing Bane?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
its scheduled for 4pm today
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
xxxp but he's been playing prince of persia in a pit for three months
anyway i know it doesn't matter because the sun's gonna explode and this wasn't my primary problem w the movie it was just a question i asked cuz it seemed unusually egregious and i figured i must have missed something while staring at one corner of the screen waiting for tom hardy to lilt something again
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:11 (eleven years ago) link
but i see that i did not i just did not use my imagination hard enough
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link
the clean slate suddenly being real is such a ridiculous moment
― WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:13 (eleven years ago) link
like i said, maybe it was always real! maybe he just had it sitting in the same safety deposit box outside the batcave that he kept his backup batsuit in.
― some white dude (some dude), Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
its a pretty uninteresting macguffin imho
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
it always was real. thought it was pretty obvious that bruce was keeping it hidden. the reveal was still dumb & unnecessary
― contenderizer, Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it was so uninteresting that i went 'ok that whatever problem is solved, back to the action!' and got more action (xpost)
― some white dude (some dude), Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
if the movie had concentrated more on selina as a character, it could have been a good macguffin. as things are, it was just another pointless distraction.
― contenderizer, Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
Really starting to hope for a four-hour cut of this thing, inexplicably.
― Doctor Casino, Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
i mean, it's a stupid thing to be real though. it's better as what it was before we find out that it's real - an obvious fantasy tailored to the urgent wishes of a desperate woman, who could then be manipulated into doing or believing anything for it. but then bruce wayne just whips it out and is like, heh, looking for this? it's such an indulgent and pointless moment by nolan
― WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe Bruce whips out a fake? I don't care either way, much like the top at the end of Inception.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
I liked the Bat, because Nolan got his own version of a Blade Runner spinner/flying car to play with. Dude's a fan of BR enough to have apparently screened it for the crew of his first batflick as a model for tone & vibe that he wanted.
― Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Saturday, 4 August 2012 17:42 (eleven years ago) link
ditto, though "less important than the matthew modine storyline" is kind of a frightening concept.
― da croupier, Saturday, 4 August 2012 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
or maybe it's just the same scenes but slightly longer, more references to "fear" and "anger"
― contenderizer, Saturday, August 4, 2012 1:22 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
i thought hathaway was pretty successful at hitting the basic necessities of catwoman: hot, sassy, vaguely mysterious, the latter quality kind of precluding the need for a well rounded character with clear motivations. bane having fuzzy motivations is frustrating because of who he's supposed to be (really smart, with traumatic backstory), but a lot of the classic batman villains have pretty arbitrary and ever changing motives by design.
― some white dude (some dude), Saturday, 4 August 2012 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know anything about the comic-book source material, but as someone who grew up with the TV show, I did question--as much as I liked Hathaway--why she was working together with Batman. She was always a villain...are you allowed to just change the rules like that? It was like King Tut had suddenly switched sides in the middle of one of the old TV episodes.
― clemenza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 20:25 (eleven years ago) link
isn't having conditional alliances and romantic entanglements with batman like THE defining trait of almost every incarnation of catwoman besides, like, the catsuit
― contender's game (some dude), Saturday, 4 August 2012 20:52 (eleven years ago) link
The romantic element was always there, absolutely, but I don't remember her ever siding with and actively assisting Batman. Not in the TV show, anyway, and I don't think I remember Michelle Pfeiffer doing so, either--maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, I'd put Hathaway right there with Julie Newmar for best-looking Catwoman ever.
― clemenza, Saturday, 4 August 2012 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
its usually like, in love while out of costume, rivals while in costume. this movie could def have used more of a romantic spark
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Sunday, 5 August 2012 01:13 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it was a bit "i guess there's no bat/cat romance in this movie after all" until she planted that kiss on him in the last half hour
― contender's game (some dude), Sunday, 5 August 2012 01:14 (eleven years ago) link