Automated Dialogue Replacement, or Additional Dialogue Recording (ADR), is the process of re-recording the original dialogue after the filming process for the purpose of obtaining a cleaner, more intelligible dialogue track
It's dubbing basically
― Number None, Friday, 3 August 2012 10:37 (eleven years ago) link
i thought his opening line on the plane was particularly jarring, to the point of confusing me - it didn't at all sound like it was coming from the same location as everything else.
― (500) Days of Sodom (Merdeyeux), Friday, 3 August 2012 10:42 (eleven years ago) link
Hardy's facial expressions, to the extent that you could see them, often looked pretty goofy or like they had no relationship to the dialogue. imo the Bane casting and character design was a similar gambit as w/ the Joker but with no real payoff for that risk.
― some random MC rappin' mcdude (some dude), Friday, 3 August 2012 11:07 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, cosign on that; I remember really searching the frame to try and figure out who was meant to be speaking.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 3 August 2012 11:07 (eleven years ago) link
i almost welcomed the bane voice after scenes when the other characters were whispering over loud music cues or otherwise being unintelligible. it was hard to understand sometimes but at least it was way too loud, in a close-mic'ed, right-in-your-ear way.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, 3 August 2012 13:16 (eleven years ago) link
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who found the music/background noise so overbearing I couldn't hear any of the dialogue (in fact Bane's voice boomed nicely over everything compared to say, Gordon's from whom I could barely make out a sentence). I assumed it was down to the cinema I was watching it in, but seems this was a problem in quite a few places.
― Quickly, take hold of my hand, asshole! (dog latin), Friday, 3 August 2012 13:28 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it was so upfront in the mix that it seemed like they just threw up their hands like "fine, you want to hear it better? we're going to 11 so you can't ask us to turn it up more" (xpost)
i honestly didn't notice or think about the score the entire movie. i have no memory of the Inception sound everybody always talks about either.
― some random MC rappin' mcdude (some dude), Friday, 3 August 2012 13:29 (eleven years ago) link
here, refresh your memory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2jUhnCU9iA
― Number None, Friday, 3 August 2012 13:32 (eleven years ago) link
I saw TDKR in a normal (film projection!) theater with good THX sound that wasn't over-cranked, and in an IMAX theater with the sound blasting and a lot more bass. The latter actually obscured some dialogue with the musical cues, and the score seemed a lot louder.
Inception had a lot of musical cues, some dude might just be a visual memory person.
― your native bacon (mh), Friday, 3 August 2012 13:43 (eleven years ago) link
that's actually generally not true! like i tend to have more vivid memories of, say, the exact sound of a line of dialogue than the way an actor looked while saying it. i just hear these scores as oh moody bombastic Hans Zimmer stuff ho hum, whereas there are some recent movies that i felt were actively ruined for my by obtrusive scores (Miracle At St. Anna and There Will Be Blood come to mind).
― some random MC rappin' mcdude (some dude), Friday, 3 August 2012 14:00 (eleven years ago) link
ruined for my me
Was going to say "I wish there were more scenes like Catwoman's well-planned stand-off at the bar" but really that's saying "I wish this was more like The Dark Knight"
― da croupier, Friday, 3 August 2012 14:25 (eleven years ago) link
also I know it's already been mentioned, but holy de ja vu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSZJufHv5kg
― da croupier, Friday, 3 August 2012 14:26 (eleven years ago) link
i would gain some respect for Nolan if it turned out that was a deliberate homage
― some random MC rappin' mcdude (some dude), Friday, 3 August 2012 14:29 (eleven years ago) link
Bane's on a plane! Why because it look interesting. No wait, two planes for some reason. Naughty Bane. Meanwhile, ah Gotham's a conservative paradise now that all that junk that happened with the Joker is over. Everybody's happy cos the prisons are full of bad guys and the mayor's dead and no Batman and Bruce Wayne's grown a wispy bumfluff beard and never goes out. But hold on, there's a naughty lady come and steal his mother's pearls. This makes Bruce very angry and flirty. Bye bye Batman, Catwoman goes to an Amsterdam coffeeshop and double-crosses some gangsters about some fingerprints or something, I didn't really understand that bit. And just outside, Commissioner Gordon huffs and puffs around the streets till he falls down a hole and finds Bane hanging around down there. He is an underground criminal - literally!! "Bruce Wayne", he says, "Bane is hanging around the sewer - these are the end of times, we need Batman!". "Not sure about that, but I am kind of cross about that necklace going missing, okay I'll see what I can do". Morgan Freeman to the rescue - "Here, I've got loads of fancy toys I've been building while you were sitting around picking your bum and eating bacon sandwiches just in case you wanna have another pop at this caped crusader venture of yours". "Wicked, now I can kick a wall." BAM! Next thing, Bane breaks into a stock exchange with an iPad and a bunch of pocket-motorbikes and proceeds to wipe all the accounts. Then he kidnaps a bunch of bankers - most of them fall off the bikes, but one of them has a jetpack and goes rocketing up into the air! Batman goes after them, but the stupid police decide to chase him instead of Bane. Luckily Batman's Owl Ship form Watchmen flying batcopter outsmarts them and he manages to get round to beating up a bunch of bad guys who are threatening Catwoman. Cue another flirty scene and a bit where she kicks someone in the nuts or something. Then I don't remember what happens but somehow Batman meets up with Catwoman and she shows him to Bane and Batman and Bane have a weak little bitchfight in which Bane kicks Batman's arse, and it turns out they're fighting right under Bruce Wayne's house and it's like WTF, right? Bane flies Bruce Wayne half the way around the world to a big well in the middle of some middle-eastern desert and tells him he'll go mad because he won't be able to get out and in fact he's in prison in his own MIND! It's kind of shit in there, but the old men are okay and they give him bacon sandwiches and a cup of tea and chat with him and stuff. Meanwhile, Bane has gone all the way back to Gotham and blows up a stadium "Mwahahaha! I am a psychopathic Socialist who loves everyone, and I'm going to show you how much I love you by blowing up a stadium and doing something with an atomic bomb!" He traps all the cops in the city in a big tunnel and freezes the city until all the water is turned to ice.Then he releases all the criminals from prison, including the Scarecrow who piles a bunch of desks up in a courtroom and sentences policemen to go and walk on the frozen river.Meanwhile Batman is rubbish at jumping out of the hole. He spends months there. It's well shit.More stuff happens - Robin running around single-handedly keeping the peace while Commissioner Gordon does more huffing and wheezing while he attempts to get inside a rubbish skip for some reason.Finally Batman manages to jump out the hole, and bounces all the way back to Gotham doublequick, but it's been OMG three months or whatever and Gotham's a right old tip. All of a surgeon, Catwoman who's a jewel-thief or something but also wants a clean slate (some sort of USB stick that'll do something, I dunno what... Anyway, she's having second thoughts about the world turning into an anarchist shithole even though her retarded lesbian lover thinks it's well good. Bane starts barking a bunch of stuff about eating rich people, and generally being a right cunt. Just when Commissioner Gordon's about to go through the very thin ice, Batman strides across to meet him like ain't no thing and starts letting off fireworks and stuff, and it's all BATMAN'S BACK! HE'S NOT A CRIMINAL! WOO! WOOP! And he and Bane have another fight but this time Batman's better and chops him in the gob, but Catwoman eventually has to come along and shoot him, cos guns solve everything really - don't be a poof! Anyway, it turns out Batman's girlfriend was *gasp* the mastermind behind it all after all and she curls up in a car like a little mouse, waiting for the bomb to go off "And I will have fulfilled my father's stupid nonsensical wish" she purrs. Wow, what a massive bitch, eh? Luckily Batman mutters somethign about "auto pilot" and flies out in his Transformers motorbikecopter over the sea and BOOOM! It explodes, and he's dead, but everything's okay! Hooray, sad ending, boohoo. The End
But no, not the end end, because Alfred, who fucked off earlier because Bruce Wayne kept doing Batman things, sees him in a cafe with Catwoman (who's a goodie) and it's all, eh, eh winkies, eh?
End.
― Quickly, take hold of my hand, asshole! (dog latin), Friday, 3 August 2012 16:31 (eleven years ago) link
They're doing movie reviews on Yelp now?
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 3 August 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
scrolled down expecting to see "Grampsy" underneath that post
― some random MC rappin' mcdude (some dude), Friday, 3 August 2012 16:34 (eleven years ago) link
Hang on: Batmanuel the mayor doesn't die until his stadium box gets blowed up
― Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Friday, 3 August 2012 16:35 (eleven years ago) link
Saw this last night. What a load of crabapples. Bored within 20 minutes and I just waited and waited for it to improve and despite getting a bit better by the last half hour it was largely poop with extra clagnuts on top.
― Quickly, take hold of my hand, asshole! (dog latin), Friday, August 3, 2012 4:41 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark
lol, nice post
― WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 3 August 2012 16:41 (eleven years ago) link
All of a surgeon ...
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 3 August 2012 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
― Number None, Friday, August 3, 2012 6:37 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it happens all the time in movies and i guarantee you the original bane voice was ADRed too
― joaquin haus-partizan (s1ocki), Friday, 3 August 2012 16:57 (eleven years ago) link
whatever dude, they did a bad job
― Number None, Friday, 3 August 2012 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
xpost ok can we just say SLOPPY adr job and stop debating whether it was an adr job, christ
Then he releases all the criminals from prison, including the Scarecrow who piles a bunch of desks up in a courtroom and sentences policemen to go and walk on the frozen river.
The frozen river thing was so weird, especially when Crane's like "ok...you get death...by FROZEN RIVER!"
― da croupier, Friday, 3 August 2012 16:58 (eleven years ago) link
it's only sloppy if it's not synced properly to the lip movements! i doubt get what you mean by "they did a bad adr job" means, are you just saying you didnt like his performance?
― joaquin haus-partizan (s1ocki), Friday, 3 August 2012 16:59 (eleven years ago) link
felt like there might have been key parts of the dialogue they cleaned up to a comic degree, big plot points, and other parts they let stay at "no, matt-main, i will gespacho SOIL". it was definitely sort of like he pressed an intercom button whenever he wanted to speak, maybe consistent breathing was just too clearly vader-esque.
― da croupier, Friday, 3 August 2012 17:00 (eleven years ago) link
fair enough, even if i totally didnt notice that at ALL, but dont blame it on the poor ADR tech!
― joaquin haus-partizan (s1ocki), Friday, 3 August 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link
unless you really can't fathom what people are talking about, can you elucidate who's fault this shit really was if it wasn't the sound mixer. i bow to your expertise unless you expertise tells you the sudden spurts of HELLO HOW ARE YOU I AM BAAANE was a bang-up job by everyone
― da croupier, Friday, 3 August 2012 17:02 (eleven years ago) link
i understood what he was saying! way better than in teh trailer
― joaquin haus-partizan (s1ocki), Friday, 3 August 2012 17:02 (eleven years ago) link
i didnt understand the motivation for anything he did in the movie, that was a bigger problem for me
― joaquin haus-partizan (s1ocki), Friday, 3 August 2012 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
― da croupier, Friday, August 3, 2012 12:58 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
that was a funny line!
i did sit there thinking "how would they punish people in the summer" though
― some random MC rappin' mcdude (some dude), Friday, 3 August 2012 17:03 (eleven years ago) link
that was a groaner
― joaquin haus-partizan (s1ocki), Friday, 3 August 2012 17:04 (eleven years ago) link
death by unga bunga
it was "death... by exile" and i lol'd
― bnw, Friday, 3 August 2012 17:07 (eleven years ago) link
Slocki otm - I could understand most of what he said, but why???
― Quickly, take hold of my hand, asshole! (dog latin), Friday, 3 August 2012 17:07 (eleven years ago) link
Reminds me of the scene in the cartoon transformers movie 'guilty or innocent?' 'Innocent!!' [queue trapdoor into a pit of crocs or whateva]
― Quickly, take hold of my hand, asshole! (dog latin), Friday, 3 August 2012 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
jeezus... the complaint is not about intelligibility, it's about the weird disembodied effect on his voice
― Number None, Friday, 3 August 2012 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
Xpost *Cue
― Quickly, take hold of my hand, asshole! (dog latin), Friday, 3 August 2012 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
I don't get complaining about the quality of the ADR. He's wearing a mask, you can't see his mouth move.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ttKJwvFIgw&feature=fvwrel
The problem with Bane is clearly in the mix. You know how famous musicians say they mix their albums on high end equipment, then take it out to the car to hear how it actually sounds on systems people use? It's like Nolan mixed this for A+ systems even though most theaters only have C-level speakers.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 3 August 2012 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
― Number None, Friday, August 3, 2012 1:09 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
it was a compromise after audiences grumbled about not understanding him in the MI4 preview. they rerecorded him and made him less masky sounding, but the tradeoff is that the voice sounds less 'sourced' - its not perfect but really who fucking cares
― WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 3 August 2012 17:14 (eleven years ago) link
we are supposed to say italics in bane voice itt, right?
― bnw, Friday, 3 August 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
Hardy's performance is a way bigger problem but it doesn't help
― Number None, Friday, 3 August 2012 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MaJy7LH5js
i really do wonder if they had to have his presence leap in and leap out because otherwise it would have been Sean Connery as Vader even more than it was
― da croupier, Friday, 3 August 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YwLQSTo_ow
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 3 August 2012 17:30 (eleven years ago) link
(This never fails to crack me up)
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 3 August 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
Bane's voice had a cheap 70s Italian horror vibe in that it seemed to be a really obvious ADR job, to the point of canceling out any foley sound whenever it was switched on (this may be more true of the impression it made on my faulty memory rather than how it actually sounds). It's kind of jarring with the otherwise supermodern effects & ~naturalistic~ performances but that's what I dug about it.
― RCMP, Friday, 3 August 2012 17:33 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe the face mask transmits it wirelessly to a surround sound system Bane spread throughout Gotham?
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 3 August 2012 17:36 (eleven years ago) link
batman totally shoulda muted him during their big fight
― bnw, Friday, 3 August 2012 17:46 (eleven years ago) link
guys I practiced my Bane voice during my drive over lunch and cracked up
― your native bacon (mh), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:00 (eleven years ago) link
This film suffers from many of the same probs as Prometheus - lots of cool action, nonsensical plot with defenestrated character motives throughout
― Quickly, take hold of my hand, asshole! (dog latin), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
I think Prometheus is a lot goofier than the Dark Knight Rises, not that that is necessarily a bad thing.
― LISTEN TO THIS BRAD (Nicole), Friday, 3 August 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link