Plus you're gonna copy-paste the dictionary at me?
― bamcquern, Thursday, 2 August 2012 01:19 (eleven years ago) link
whoa guys fire up the DVR cuz Seacrest is gonna give us an update on what social media was saying about Phelps last night
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 2 August 2012 01:23 (eleven years ago) link
u guys this fucking segment
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 2 August 2012 01:27 (eleven years ago) link
oh no. u weren't joking and now i am watching it.
― Mordy, Thursday, 2 August 2012 01:27 (eleven years ago) link
"pretty cool to get a tweet from the president"
televised sports, familiar bastion of liberaldom
most of the man-boys on here are liberals, and I'd say more than half like sports
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 August 2012 01:31 (eleven years ago) link
lol, u must be anticipating the zing
― Mordy, Thursday, 2 August 2012 01:34 (eleven years ago) link
they're americans. Americans love sports.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 2 August 2012 01:35 (eleven years ago) link
everyone loves sports tbh
― k3vin k., Thursday, 2 August 2012 03:06 (eleven years ago) link
a completely legit strategy when the meaning of words is under dispute man
― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 2 August 2012 04:39 (eleven years ago) link
*AHEM*
― giallo pudding pops (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 2 August 2012 15:30 (eleven years ago) link
^^^ why shakey is my bro
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 August 2012 15:32 (eleven years ago) link
xxp If it meant, like, "dog" or something it would be fine. But if I and Slate dude and my friend who refuses to watch a minute of the Olympics coverage because of its jingoism think jingoism is (not necessarily exclusively) something in the ballpark of "nationalist chauvinism to an excessive degree," then throwing up a definition like that is failed pedantry. Which I expect from Kevin K. And you sometimes, too, tbh, even though you're an extremely smart, articulate guy.
― bamcquern, Thursday, 2 August 2012 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
That language essentialist bent of Kevin's is something he has in common with his buddy Antonin Scalia.
― bamcquern, Thursday, 2 August 2012 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know if rooting for an athlete ONLY bcz they're from your country is jingoistic, but it is senseless, but then so is rooting for laundry.
This whole "hallowed" thing around the Olympics is the unfathomable part. It's mostly crass showbiz.
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 2 August 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
so was the parthenon!
― goole, Thursday, 2 August 2012 19:02 (eleven years ago) link
But if I and Slate dude and my friend who refuses to watch a minute of the Olympics coverage because of its jingoism think jingoism is (not necessarily exclusively) something in the ballpark of "nationalist chauvinism to an excessive degree," then throwing up a definition like that is failed pedantry.we are wrong.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 2 August 2012 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
lie down and tell us more about your 'friend', bamcquern
― k3vin k., Thursday, 2 August 2012 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
looool
explaining to you how you're using a word wrong is not and will never be "essentialism" of any kind
thanks for playing
― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 2 August 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
question*: if rooting for your country in the olympics is 'nationalist chauvinism to an excessive degree' than what are some examples of nationalist sentiment that aren't to an excessive degree?
*nb i don't really care about the answer
― Mordy, Thursday, 2 August 2012 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
USA rules, bamcquern drools
― max, Thursday, 2 August 2012 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
then*
― Mordy, Thursday, 2 August 2012 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
my one pet peeve about definition beefs is when someone cut and pastes one definition and excludes the other definitions that don't fit their argument (often from the same fucking dictionary)
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 2 August 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
well, but...the use of a word tends to be in one of several definitions where multiple definitions exist; it's ok to quote the salient part of the definition of "level" if the argument's about architecture and not, say, video games
― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 2 August 2012 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
or layers of meaning
guys
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 August 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
Isn't universal 'national chauvinism' pretty much the entire point of the Olympics?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 2 August 2012 22:18 (eleven years ago) link
pretty much the entire point of producing American babies
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 August 2012 22:30 (eleven years ago) link
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, August 2, 2012 10:18 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The olympics is both nationalism/pride and bringing people together in sport so they can shed the past wars/divisions for a couple weeks.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 2 August 2012 22:34 (eleven years ago) link
Uh that is not how it works.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 2 August 2012 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
also lots of athletes fucking each other
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Thursday, 2 August 2012 22:54 (eleven years ago) link
The definitions would only exclude each other if you favored "extreme" over "excessive." There was no "explaining how I'm using a word wrong." There was a dictionary definition that doesn't particularly contradict my, the Slate person's, and my "friend"'s usage, and using a dictionary for this kind of supposedly authoritative hairsplitting is classic language essentialism. What else would it be but pointing to an absolute definition of a word that absolutely excludes extremely similar definitions?
― bamcquern, Thursday, 2 August 2012 23:59 (eleven years ago) link
And you said "thanks for playing"? You're not self-conscious about writing glib, canned responses like that?
― bamcquern, Friday, 3 August 2012 00:00 (eleven years ago) link
― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, August 2, 2012 8:00 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh sure but there's also nuanced definitions that apply to the same context. And you'll see someone just quote one of the 4 that apply.
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 3 August 2012 00:03 (eleven years ago) link
bamcquern if it makes you feel better i can take the point that the olympics are what you think jingoism means
― k3vin k., Friday, 3 August 2012 00:17 (eleven years ago) link
you are using the word wrong, you're never going to accept that because you feel like arguing, the idea that referring to a dictionary is "essentialism" is so stupid as to beggar belief, thanks for playing
― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 3 August 2012 00:24 (eleven years ago) link
djp otm
― mookieproof, Friday, 3 August 2012 00:52 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/08/02/016Chickfila-Politics_540x405.jpg
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 3 August 2012 01:32 (eleven years ago) link
"i hate gay people! also i love the #1 combo. can't beat it! i hate gay people!"
― you're all going to hello (Z S), Friday, 3 August 2012 01:34 (eleven years ago) link
was it Dike-Fil-A for Huckleberry Graham?
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 August 2012 01:35 (eleven years ago) link
I thought he liked chicken - just not that kind?
― higgs' besom (suzy), Friday, 3 August 2012 05:17 (eleven years ago) link
It's the Chick Fil-A Show.
(stolen from facebook)
― nickn, Friday, 3 August 2012 07:58 (eleven years ago) link
Ex-IDaho GOP Senator: "that gay bathroom sex was official business!"
― giallo pudding pops (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 August 2012 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
"I stand with Chick Fil-A"
Uh buddy, you're sitting.
― sive gallus et mulier (Michael White), Friday, 3 August 2012 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
"we had it for breakfast today, but my usual order is the #1 combo with repression and shame"
― Matt Armstrong, Friday, 3 August 2012 22:51 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/04/science/earth/cass-sunstein-to-leave-top-regulatory-post.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20120804
Good riddance (although yeah he did a few good things)
Few proposed rules escaped his gaze or his editor’s pen. Of the hundreds of regulations issued by the administration as of late last year, three-quarters were changed at OIRA, often at the urging of corporate interests, according to an analysis from the Center for Progressive Reform, a liberal-leaning group that monitors federal regulation. For rules from the Environmental Protection Agency, the figure was closer to 80 percent, the group found. In virtually every case, the rule was weakened, the group claimed.
Professor Steinzor cited Mr. Sunstein’s role in the killing of the E.P.A.’s proposed tightening of the standard for ozone pollution, the indefinite delay of rules governing coal ash disposal and the withdrawal earlier this year of a proposed update of child agricultural labor standards.
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 4 August 2012 14:08 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I read that just before I went to bed last night and had such sweet, peaceful dreams
― you're all going to hello (Z S), Saturday, 4 August 2012 14:26 (eleven years ago) link
So weird to have my wife tell me about ppl coming and going at her job and them reason about it in national papers
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Saturday, 4 August 2012 14:30 (eleven years ago) link
So Texas tea party fave and likely to be elected US Senator Ted Cruz went to Harvard Law, clerked for Rehnquist and pushes some crazy ideas:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/07/31/619461/five-things-to-know-about-gop-senate-candidate-ted-cruz/
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 4 August 2012 15:06 (eleven years ago) link
fuuuuuuuck my dumb state
― electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Saturday, 4 August 2012 15:11 (eleven years ago) link