Which of these conspiracy theories is most plausible?

pearl harbor is the only remotely plausible one.

the moon landing hoax is the best one. anyone else remember the fox special on it?

xp I still think it's aliens. Aliens in desperate need of cow anuses.

Moon landing hoax is almost disappointingly easy to disprove.

Voted David Kelly, not because I think it's true, but it's about the only remotely plausible one here--more I think he was hounded to suicide.
Moon landing hoax people give me the shits. I helped organise a lecture once by a guy who goes around debunking the hoax believers, and the audience was about half made up of people who just refused to listen to what he said, and insisted on talking over him with their own batshit beliefs.

disappointed there's no "clintons killed vince foster" option, but thats probably because the jews control ilx

there isn't a genuine conspiracy theorist alive who isn't crazy, stupid, and egomaniacal

JFK, doy

Voted for Pope John Paul I murder. There's enough circumstantial evidence (even more than there is with JFK) with the Vatican Bank, the Propaganda Due lodge, and the fallout from the Pope John Paul II shooting that I'll buy into it.

As fun as all of this is, the 9/11 people have really made conspiracy politics a severely autocratic, reductionist land of ugly.

i hated the 9/11 thing most of all b/c it sorts of tries to shift responsibility onto u.s. black ops and ignores actual real world issues that are too complex for these numbnuts to wrap their tiny brains around.

Think the David Kelly one is most plausible (not that I necessarily believe it to be true, but it seems much less batshit crazy than the rest of them), or what James Morrison said minus the bit about organising fake-moon-landing nutjobs into a lecture hall.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e372/tlthe5th/bush/bush_banner2.gif

awesome site for o_0 9/11 + vatican conspiracy mashup
http://www.spirituallysmart.com/bush.html

Anyway, there's a bunch of stuff missing from the list...

- Chemtrails
- Big Pharma's anti-depressants create Brave New World.
- HAARP leverages secret Tesla technology to control the weather
- TWA Flight 800 downed by some sort of military event.
- CIA involvement with People's Temple

the first one I thought of was Chemtrails. i have a friend who was utterly convinced that this stuff was real. i used to follow these things and read r3ns3 for lolz, but 9/11 conspiracy nuts really turned me off to all of this stuff.

i voted for the Kelly thing because i read too many espionage thrillers as a child.

I still have trouble grasping how the nerve-center of our country's national defense system can get hit by a known-hijacked plane without any attempt at interception for the 41 minutes that it was known to be hijacked post-WTC attacks.

How many trillions of tax dollars annually fund the pentagon and DoD?

challop-py?

9/11 truthers make me murderous pissed. Like they lose SO much credibility as a person with a brain when I find out they think that.

I mean, srsly, the first time I talked to a buddy and he explained the 'truth' movement/wacked-out conspiracy theory, I started crying. 1. I couldn't believe anyone could conceive of or believe that and 2. I couldn't believe my FRIEND would believe that.

they're all true. even the ones that blatantly contradict each other.

lizard people

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/141/371459287_d211186758.jpg?v=0

As fun as all of this is, the 9/11 people have really made conspiracy politics a severely autocratic, reductionist land of ugly.

"Poll Closes: 9/11"

I SMELL CONSPIRACY

Conspiracy theories are all fabricated, to divert attention from what's REALLY going on!

latebloomer so otm, was thinking the same thing. ruined all the fun for everyone else.

also missing, flying saucer technology devised by nazis

(xpost) That's what you want us to think!

I think these are plausible, as in not batshit insane, although I wouldn't go so far as to say I believe any of them:

There are remains of aliens/UFOs in Area 51
John F Kennedy was murdered by the Mob/Expat Cubans/CIA etc
AIDS is a man-made disease
US government knew about attacks on Pearl harbor and let them happen
Pope John Paul I was murdered by the Mafia/CIA etc
Dr David Kelly was murdered by MI5/British government

There are remains of Pope John Paul I in Area 51
Dr David Kelly was murdered by the Mob/Expat Cubans/CIA etc
aliens/UFOs is a man-made disease
US government knew about Expat Cubans and let them happen
British government was murdered by the Mafia/CIA etc
John F Kennedy was murdered by MI5/British government

Elvis T very much OTM.

The whole conspiracy theory game used to be a kind of fun hobby, (I used to rather enjoy keeping track of them, because I was interested in how the human mind could put together patterns) but now it's turned into some kind of mass hysteria post-9/11.

As much as I enjoyed the program, I also think the X-Files didn't help, either - a lot of people took that rather too seriously.

I voted for JFK, because that's the most Classic of the plausible ones. But that's only coz there was no fun Masonic sh*t in there to amuse me. (Masons have rather lost their hold on the public imagination, haven't they?)

The conspiracy theory I have most time for worrying about personally is that artificial sweeteners are somewhere between "kinda unhealthy" and "carcinogenic mind-control death chemicals", forced knowingly upon the American and consequently worldwide public by D. Rumsfeld.

Obviously this one is missing from the list because, ahem, it is perfectly sensible and not at all batshit, despite anti-sweetener pages generally being a click or two away from a) global warming denial, b) Masonic chemtrail antidepressant NWO, or c) websites hailing herbal wonder panaceas that The Man does not want you to know about to combat giant skin-insects nobody else can see.

(Aspartame and Acesulfame-K make my head and gut hurt. This seems not a good thing. I think food and medical trials could do with a little more regulation, but don't actually see a conspiracy.)

Where is Jill Dando/Bosnian Secret Service band?

That would have got my vote

But that's only coz there was no fun Masonic sh*t in there to amuse me. (Masons have rather lost their hold on the public imagination, haven't they?)

I know you hate football, Kate, but you could have a field day with the Masonic conspiracies pervading Scottish football, and referees in particular.

Hrrrmmm, see that's something you could interest me in. Tell me that there are interesting parallels between secret masonic handshakes and scottish referee hand signals!

Um, it's not conspiracy theory that sweeteners are bad for you! There's loads of perfectly decent scientific evidence for that. Don't know about mind control, tho. But there's loads of evidence that aspartame decomposes when heated into some pretty nasty potentially brain-damaging chemicals.

But then again, life causes cancer, doesn't it? etc. etc.

I find many of these theories utterly implausible. But in a way I don't understand the virulent reaction against them that one encounters, for instance on this thread. If you don't believe a theory, OK, don't believe it; maybe even produce some evidence for that disbelief. Does one's response need to be any fiercer than that?

Plausible, to me:

-- John F Kennedy was murdered by the Mob/Expat Cubans/CIA etc -- surely this is quite mainstream, not a bonkers belief at all? In fact I'll vote for it here.

-- Jews control Hollywood and the worldwide financial system -- well, there are two different claims here. In fact Hollywood in its early days certainly did contain a proportion of rich and powerful Jews, possibly because they were fleeing anti-semitism elsewhere (in America as well as the rest of the world). It probably still does. It would probably be true to say that some people of Jewish descent do indeed wield significant power and influence in Hollywood. I don't see any reason, though, to think that they pursue a 'Jewish agenda' in any way, in their film-making. They are probably to be distinguished from the Israel Lobby that Mears and Walsheimer have described (is that just a conspiracy theory? I don't think so: I think it's true).

It is also true that some Jewish people have exercised significant influence on finance, and have been involved in or owned some of the richest corporations in the world, in the last century at least. I'm not sure that this should be a pejorative claim.

-- Scientologists control Hollywood (and are working on the financial system) -- Scientologists probably DO want to control Hollywood, and probably are trying to work on the financial system, though I imagine their success is limited. Certainly it would seem that there are more powerful and influential Scientologists in Hollywood than elsewhere. Various significant actors are Scientologists, whereas I have never met one in real life.

-- Pope John Paul I was murdered by the Mafia/CIA etc -- don't know much about this, but from the little I do know I think it could be true

-- Dr David Kelly was murdered by MI5/British government -- I don't particularly think that this happened, but it was a very murky affair and this might have happened; though I don't really understand the motives involved.

You don't really understand the motives involved behind this thread.

"I still have trouble grasping how the nerve-center of our country's national defense system can get hit by a known-hijacked plane without any attempt at interception for the 41 minutes that it was known to be hijacked post-WTC attacks."

No-one had ever intercepted a hi-jacked plane because such planes were never ever flown into buildings before. Someone would have have to have ordered the killing of all the people on that jet based on what?

While there is some evidence that the CIA was aware of a possible tactic of flying planes into buildings who knows who/what was in place to be able to get authorisation to scramble a jet, make a decision that this jet was going to be crashed into the WTC/Pentagon then order the pilot to shoot it down, all the time not knowing the hi-jackers intentions. I think the best info they had was that they said they had a bomb. Not to mention that shooting down could have led to more casualties on the ground

lol @ pinefox bemused at anti-semitic conspiracy theories

Aspartame = bad is not a conspiracy theory in itself but seems to be a favourite "oh, and by the way..." of people who want to tell you about the other conspiracies listed on this thread. I don't know whether the FDA-Rumsfeld thing counts as "OMG conspiracy" or just "hello capitalism" but makes a pretty good starting point for the former.

To be honest I haven't read up on some of these because I realised I'm far too likely to believe this sort of thing and try not to give it brain-time any more in case I do. A loose assortment of vaguely detailed "facts" that I haven't heard specifically rebuffed is too enticing for my brain. "This guy lists specific timings and quotes people I've never heard of, there must be something in it!"

And once you try to google counter-arguments for them all you're in a hall of mirrors of people out-batshitting each other, like the time I was looking for rebuffs of the moon landing hoax stuff and found some website of "duh, of course it's not a fake: [list of intricate scientific details] oh, and also, how else would top secret joint US and USSR cabal have built their pyramidal glass dark-side-of-moon palace for mind control and alien communication?"

Ha ha, I guess the problem is, that Aspartame = bad for you functions kind of like a gateway drug. Once you find out that the government lied to you about one thing, what's to stop them from lying to you about anything or everything?

And down the rabbit hole you go.

Lots of these "conspiracies" there is a sense of something unexplained or odd or underhanded at the bottom of them. And for the pattern-forming brain, well, it's hard for some people to know where to stop.

Coupla old school conspiracies:

Princes in the Tower
Man in the Iron Mask

One new school conspiracy:
Family in the Gutted Shropshire Mansion

David Davis Resignation

dom temp ban

Chaki Tombot Rant

doomie's novel

The Maracas Affair

ghostbusters 2 existed to try and help noo yorkans be friendlier

disappearance of ILX::OZ thread

Tesla coil used in secret invisibility experiments!

Might as well link this here, too. Why have a cruise for fans of one conspiracy theory when you could do them all?

http://www.divinetravels.com/ConspiraSeaCruise2016.html

(here's the donotlink for those not wanting to contribute to their google results: http://www.donotlink.com/gamz )

Note the guest list.

Is it safe for them all to be on the same boat? Bit of an easy target for the illuminati / lizard people / alien overlords / big pharma / Jews who run the government.

Aha! Andy Wakefield! So good to see you again

Discussion about this on the Jenny McCarthy vaccination thread

chem-trails is out of the running, looks like. sad!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/16/science/scientists-just-say-no-to-chemtrails-conspiracy-theory.html

well of course the scientists would say that

I only read about this deal for the first time last night: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Norwegian_spiral_anomaly

hard to find a non-"enhanced" image of what ppl said they saw: there's a youtube clip from (i think) CNN which is p poor quality but does have a wtf omg element once they zoom the camera in enough (= smoky but very orderly rotating spiral in the distant sky)… explanations = russians (rocket misfire), HAARP (chemtrails machinery malfunction), aliens (portal left open by mistake), more and worse if you google far enough

(it was retweeted last night by the ordinarily super-factual and gorgeous @StormHour, i think bcz a follower noticed SH had just tweeted a pic of s storm from the same part of tromsø, and commented with a link)

HAARP's new owner holds open house to prove facility 'is not capable of mind control'
http://www.adn.com/alaska-news/science/2016/08/24/haarps-new-owner-holds-open-house-to-prove-facility-is-not-capable-of-mind-control/

The University of Alaska Fairbanks now owns and operates the High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Program and invites the public to an open house Saturday. This is interested visitors' chance to learn about the scientific mission and research at the Gakona facility, which was transferred last year from the U.S. Air Force to UAF.

UAF officials are hoping for a high turnout.

"We hope that people will be able to see the actual science of it," said Sue Mitchell, spokesperson for UAF's Geophysical Institute, which operates the facility. "We hope to show people that it is not capable of mind control and not capable of weather control and all the other things it's been accused of."

'come to our mind control facility to allow us to implant in your mind the idea that we're not capable of mind control'

they must think we're fuckin idiots, man *adjusts tinfoil hat*

scientist doesn't understand how conspiracy theorists think

'Oh, so you hid all the evidence and then invited people?'

lately i've been trying to delve more into conspiracy theories from outside the english-as-a-first-language world. some of them are pretty good. there's the vietnamese conspiracy theory that ho chi minh died and was replaced by a chinese sleeper agent. and of course the great russian conspiracy theory that historians just made up a thousand years of history.

the jfk conspiracy theory is the one that everyone everwhere seems to believe and it's one of the most tedious and boring ones i can imagine. because the basis of it is stupid old "great man" theory, the belief that somebody as important as the president couldn't be killed by a lone nut.

i spent some time recently looking at the david icke forums and discovered they seem firmly pro-brexit, presumably because it's striking a blow against the reptilian-controlled new world order

Little do they realize the bitter irony that cutting off their noses to spite their faces makes them indistinguishable from their reptilian overlords.

I missed the David Kelly stuff, whats the consensus on what happened there?

This Rashid Buttar cat keeps popping up on youtube with a covid conspiracy theory. But its NOT the 5G one, in his one its something to do with Bill Gates wanting to force vaccines onto everyone, something about depopulation, and something else about RFD chips. I guess its an extension of the anti-vaccine movement?