Behavioral expectations wrapped up with gender complexities = awful.
― |\|!+5uh, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Momus, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Momus: Honestly, in what proportions do you think fixated solely- other-race attractions are a product of (a) healthy impulses and inclinations versus (b) rigid mental concepts of how individuals of a particular sex and ethnicity behave? Clearly both exist: which do you think prevails?
It is entirely possible that my perception of this is skewed by living in the more broadly homogenous U.S., where there are broad and ugly strains of white women's Mandingo fetishizing of black males and white men's submissive-prostitute fetishizing of Asian women, and a properly-worded google search will reveal truckloads of porn sites that appear to support this assertion.
― Nitsuh, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Sarah, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― RickyT, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
It's funny what Suzy says about Scots, because it seems to me that in Brooklyn there's a thing with many of the local population of English boys being into South Asian girls.
― Benjamin, Tuesday, 29 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― mike hanle y, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― toraneko, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Asians preferring Asians or whites preferring whites generally involves less criticism because the preferences are working within an ethnic mundanity of sorts. An Asian who blocks out all other types of people can still be criticized perhaps, but this preference is a more understandable and natural one. It's difficult to perceive it as a degrading fetish since it crosses no ethnic lines.
That said, I'm not sure how often white-Asian couples actually involve any degrading element at all. I don't think it's fair to underestimate the perceptiveness of Asian women. At least in America, and especially in Berkeley where I live, Asians would probably never engage with, let alone last in, a relationship with some fetishizing white-boy monstrosity. If the issue is about naive submissive girls being taken advantage of, I don't see this as being the case around me.
― Honda, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― goeff, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Perhaps if you'd introduced me to someone who seemed more like an equal to you than a foil or a yes-woman, or bothered to tell me something interesting about them before I met them, I might not have such a poor impression of what, to me, seem like a series of nice but in-over- their-heads young girls happy to endure Misogyny Lite if it means three months of being some minor pop star's plus one (Yoko, on the other hand, was not arm candy for an insecure guy who wanted to look trendy at art openings). But the only thing you appear to have in common with the girls I have met is this: they're interested in you almost as much as you are. But unlike you, they can get bored of you and go away, which, eventually, they do.
― suzy, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Though I'm into the whiteys so call me a hypocrite. Though it would be pretty ridiculous if I tapped on your shoulder and swooned "omigod, i just love white guys"...
― phil, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tom, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― RickyT, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― gareth, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Sarah, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― dave q, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― fritz, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Momus, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
*wakes up*
Did someone say 'pedestal'?
*rolls over, goes back to sleep, resuming dream about Hiroshi Sugimoto's 'Seascapes'*
― Dan Perry, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
'why in the world would i contribute to a thread of hate like that??
for some reason internet people are particularly obnoxo. i guess cuz it;s anonymo.
thanks for defending me...'
― Ramosi, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
1. Everyone is equal and should have equal opportunities in society. (In our case, there should be no racial profiling of potential dates.)
2. Everyone is an individual with a right to personal preferences and the freedom to choose between available options.
Hey, I know his name and he knows mine. So what's the complaint?
I know damn well what Rivers Cuomo gets up to backstage
Rivers Cuomo would be much more interesting in my eyes if he stayed a hair-metaller. Then he would be honest with himself. ;-)
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
(I stole that from Martin Lawrence HBO special!)
(a) The prevalence of those "personal preferences" being based on wrongheaded and demeaning expectations of how people of various ethnicities behave.
(b) The related belief that ethnicity is such a major determinant of what people are actually like that it should be the primary factor in dating choices.
(c) The slick (if not slippery) slope between a "personal preference" for one ethnicity and active distaste for another; the flipside of "I like Asian women" (because they are Asian) may well be "I don't like Latin men" (because they are Latino).
(I am also generally just completely sick of west-European-descended white people considering any ethnicity but their own as denoting an identifiable quality in a person, as if they are humans and everyone else is just a quaint aesthetic variation on humanity -- as if we live in a fantasy novel where the "humans" are attracted to the elves but not the dwarves. People who think this way are inevitably angered or just surprised by any assertion that their whiteness "means" anything about them, but they place the same expectations on us dwarves and elves and hobbits 24 / 7.)
― Nitsuh, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Ummm, what? Please stop grandstanding. I couldn't very well have expressed my opinion (and that's all it is - my opinion) without any background to explain how it was formed. If that offends you, I'm sorry, but I think what I've written here falls under one of your favourite categories of forgivable exposition - 'showing all works'. Besides which, our mutual friends see our battles for what they really are: shadow-boxing. And do not take them too seriously for this reason.
― Sean, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― mark s, Wednesday, 30 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Millions of people aren't doing that with the other-race or other-culture attractions. But millions of people are. And given the word "exclusively" in the title of this thread -- suggesting an absolute fixation -- that's the type I'm thinking of.
Oh, Nitsuh, you're probably measuring wrong.
I am, in human form, Tucson's rush hour - heavy and slow, and not passing enough water.
― pplains, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 18:57 (ten years ago) link
thinking of dating exclusively asian women after the current er indoors tbh
― dub job deems (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 20:53 (ten years ago) link
what arts institution are you
― the most promising US ilxor has thrown the TOWEL IN (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 21:04 (ten years ago) link
i was looking through a bookmark file of mine from 2005 the other day, was pleased to find that the link to momus' penis still works
http://imomus.com/michaelangelo.jpeg
― i wanna be a gabbneb baby (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 21:05 (ten years ago) link
good Momus quote to dig up, cheers Nilmar― mh, Tuesday, July 9, 2013 2:53 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
― mh, Tuesday, July 9, 2013 2:53 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
i find asian girls typically hugely attractive. but i haven't dated any :(
Does this make me a bastard or not?
― darraghmac, Friday, 31 August 2007 13:05 (5 years ago)
think you might be the amsterdam rijksmuseum, closed down for refurbishment for a number of years but now opening up again
― the most promising US ilxor has thrown the TOWEL IN (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 21:06 (ten years ago) link
what a wonderful url
― Matt P, Tuesday, 9 July 2013 21:24 (ten years ago) link
down to the peg
― what a wonderful url (Matt P), Tuesday, 9 July 2013 21:25 (ten years ago) link
Got my yellow fever vaccine on Monday and today I'm down with one nostril constantly running, a migraine, dizziness and slight tingling/numbness of my left foot. These are known but somewhat rare side effects. Committed to going to the doctor tomorrow if I don't feel better when I wake up. To that end I've just had a hella generous hot toddy.
Also there was no CD thread for The Vaccines to post dud in twice. No-one needs to rectify this.
― Minister of the Pillow (fionnland), Friday, 10 August 2018 00:20 (five years ago) link
You can start a crossdressing thread fella no one will judge u
― F# A# (∞), Friday, 10 August 2018 00:23 (five years ago) link
I got a mmr booster, tetanus booster, hep first round and a yellow fever shot all in one day once and stupidly went out drinking that night. Four double whiskeys later my body was making the craziest sounds while I was puking.
― Yerac, Friday, 10 August 2018 01:14 (five years ago) link
U shlda recorded it
― F# A# (∞), Friday, 10 August 2018 01:30 (five years ago) link
Probably. I had a roommate at the time that said he heard whistling and woke up.
― Yerac, Friday, 10 August 2018 01:41 (five years ago) link
Ha
― F# A# (∞), Friday, 10 August 2018 01:43 (five years ago) link
puking after a dozen shots
― for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 10 August 2018 01:58 (five years ago) link