"I'll show them! I'm going to run away and get some of those eggs from my cousin's science project and bring them back and THEN they'll see! Oh fuck I'm out of fuel. *coughs* God I feel shitty."
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 23:08 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― Jesu swept (ledge), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 23:14 (eleven years ago) link
The first series of Alien comics from Dark Horse could have been a decent movie/TV series... I especially like this part:
A scientific corporation has acquired an alien Queen, and begins harvesting eggs. A weird cult that believes the Aliens to be God's spiritual rebirth breaks in and they all give themselves up for facehugging. Earth is overrun.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 23:16 (eleven years ago) link
any excuse to post this guy againhttp://images.wikia.com/avp/images/c/cc/Alien-Jockey4.jpg
― Number None, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 23:19 (eleven years ago) link
so bummed out the engineers don't actually have elephant faces. inexcusable!
― brony ver (s1ocki), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 23:23 (eleven years ago) link
If they did David could make some heffalumps and woozles joke right before his head got ripped off.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 23:25 (eleven years ago) link
sadly enough, Prometheus is probably accurate on that score
In the comics, the Jockey is shown to have an elephantine trunk. This is inconsistent with the original concept. An inspection of the concept art done by H.R. Giger, shows that the "trunk" is supposed to be an air hose and there is a helmet surrounding the Jockey's head. This is also supported by the fact that soft tissue such as elephant trunks do not fossilize. This does not leave out the possibility of a different kind of trunk, but the one depicted in the comics is very much like an elephant's. None of the works depicting the Jockey with a "trunk" are considered canon - the only canon appearance of the Space Jockey is in Alien and its novelization and directly related works.
― Number None, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 23:25 (eleven years ago) link
THEN GIVE ME A DIFFERENT KIND OF TRUNK
― brony ver (s1ocki), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 23:26 (eleven years ago) link
i hope this is like star trek, showing how the young version of the original alien learned how to become the alien he is today
― s1ocki, Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:03 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
also i hope it is set at alien academy
was i basically correct about this?
― brony ver (s1ocki), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 23:27 (eleven years ago) link
SPACE TRUNK
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 23:27 (eleven years ago) link
Isn't that a Parliament album
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 23:28 (eleven years ago) link
The more I think about Prometheus, and remember the first and deeply shitty Alien vs Predator film, the more I realise Prometheus didn't even do much that was new. Substitute engineers for Predators, and put the pyramids on Earth rather than LV 223 and you have most of the same (dumb Erich von Daniken) ideas in both films, plus dying Weyland is also in both.
― seven league bootie (James Morrison), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 23:28 (eleven years ago) link
Perhaps the space jockey is really a fossilized Snuffleupagus.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 June 2012 23:29 (eleven years ago) link
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5kw49te421qk2jwqo1_500.jpg
― Julie Derpy (Phil D.), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 23:29 (eleven years ago) link
In the comics, the Jockey is shown to have an elephantine trunk. This is inconsistent with the original concept.
i dispute this reading from ALIEN SPECIES WIKI. Concept art below, there's no obvious way of telling what is creature and what is suit - which is the whole damned point of biomechanicalism anyway.
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r198/adwendakon/Giger/AlienPilot.jpg
― Jesu swept (ledge), Wednesday, 13 June 2012 23:32 (eleven years ago) link
they might have been referring to this
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/3/20287.jpg
― Number None, Thursday, 14 June 2012 00:06 (eleven years ago) link
of course it may have just been the fashion to wear the trunk over the shoulder that season
― Number None, Thursday, 14 June 2012 00:07 (eleven years ago) link
prometheus < alien 4 < alien 3 < aliens < alien < giger
― the late great, Thursday, 14 June 2012 00:14 (eleven years ago) link
not sure where AvP fits in that scheme
the offensive shit-ness of this movie is making me nostalgic for the whimsical french shit-ness of alien resurrection
yup
― contenderizer, Thursday, 14 June 2012 01:36 (eleven years ago) link
"perhaps if the movie had been a bit more abstract and artful in general, i'd be willing to forgive the apparent idiocies and poor narrative construction, but this isn't a stylized aesthetic indulgence - it's a brain-dead, piece-of-shit would-be blockbuster."
this makes no sense to me
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:22 PM (3 hours ago)
i mean that if the whole had been more satisfying on an artistic level, then the poor acting & characterization, nonsensical plotting and goofy spiritual pondering might have been more tolerable - might even have contributed some interesting texture to the whole. but it didn't engage me any more as a work of art than as a piece of pop entertainment (if that distinction can be sustained). it's not stalker or suspiria or even fantastic planet.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 14 June 2012 01:46 (eleven years ago) link
i would like to agree with contenderizer that the argument that a movie has cool "themes" doesn't really have any bearing on whether it's any good or not, while at the same time pointing out that that argument basically constituted his defence of avatar.
― brony ver (s1ocki), Wednesday, June 13, 2012 3:25 PM (3 hours ago)
my defense of avatar was basically that i enjoyed it. simplistic and rehashed as it was, cameron knows how to tell a story cinematically. he establishes character and context efficiently, builds narrative arcs that make sense and pay off, understands pacing and tension, knows how to generate emotional effects, etc. the "cool themes" part was secondary, though the conversation bogged down in a long argument about that.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 14 June 2012 01:56 (eleven years ago) link
it's not stalker or suspiria or even fantastic planet.
i did basically enjoy prometheus because it was a little bit of all these things to me!
― ryan, Thursday, 14 June 2012 02:10 (eleven years ago) link
that's cool. i might like it more on a second pass, but i don't know that i'll ever get over the disappointment (verging on betrayal, silly as that sounds). expectations are a curse.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 14 June 2012 02:15 (eleven years ago) link
Demanding quality from science fiction is bizarre. Real sci fi fans embrace the shitness
― badg, Thursday, 14 June 2012 02:26 (eleven years ago) link
fantastic planet? surely you mean forbidden planet?
― the late great, Thursday, 14 June 2012 02:27 (eleven years ago) link
oh no no any space jockey prequel should be a lot more like fantastic planet than forbidden planet
fantastic planet is basically like the seventies made a movie about itself starring its favorite drugs
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 14 June 2012 02:37 (eleven years ago) link
ok this thread is now about the antikythera mechanism and fantastic planet, please allow me to mash up the wikipedia entries for each into a mind melting face slammer of prose
Terr and the Wizard's champion have child-sized animals bound to their torsos in such a way as to prevent the combatants from using anything but the beaks of said animals to attack. The lower back dial is also in the form of a spiral, with 223 divisions showing the saros; it also has a smaller subsidiary dial which displays the 54 year "triple saros" or exeligmos.
Over the next several scenes, it is shown how the Oms have adapted to life on the Draags' planet. German Philologist Albert Rehm; Derek J. de Solla Price (with Charalampos Karakalos and his wife Emily); Allan George Bromley. Snail-like animals weave clothes onto the Oms, predators that would eat Oms are in turn hunted and efficiently stripped of useful materials, and the gene pool is kept well-mixed. Damp, salt-laden marine environments would quickly corrode the gears, rendering it useless.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 14 June 2012 02:50 (eleven years ago) link
why don't our astronauts have elephant helmets? maybe this is holding us back.
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 14 June 2012 02:51 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.google.com/search?q=weyland+linkedin
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 14 June 2012 02:54 (eleven years ago) link
hey man i got la planete sauvage on dvd, you know i'm bout it bout it
i just dont see the prometheus connection
― the late great, Thursday, 14 June 2012 02:54 (eleven years ago) link
love when terr interrupts the imagination session
― the late great, Thursday, 14 June 2012 02:58 (eleven years ago) link
i guess i'm just in love with draag culture if you know what i mean
― the late great, Thursday, 14 June 2012 02:59 (eleven years ago) link
Have NASA, SpaceX, etc. flight-rated this guy's stuff? http://bobbasset.com/
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 14 June 2012 03:03 (eleven years ago) link
what I was trying to say is "the engineers" should totally be like draagssauvage is so much more fun than verboten
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 14 June 2012 03:03 (eleven years ago) link
Fantastic Planet, trippy as it is, is real social-commentary classical sci-fi at its core.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 14 June 2012 03:53 (eleven years ago) link
ok - the last 20 mins of this were some crazy unexpectedly batshit Cthulhoid Hollywood filmmaking. What a confused yet gorgeous looking film.
― Pacific Rinko (Capitaine Jay Vee), Thursday, 14 June 2012 04:03 (eleven years ago) link
It's this attitude that's given us Joss Wheedon, Lindelof and co.
― seven league bootie (James Morrison), Thursday, 14 June 2012 04:05 (eleven years ago) link
whoa there buster
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 14 June 2012 04:06 (eleven years ago) link
So when does this movie open again?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 June 2012 04:07 (eleven years ago) link
the last 20 mins of this were some crazy unexpectedly batshit Cthulhoid Hollywood filmmaking.
Which is why Del Toro said Mountains of Madness had to be scrapped, b/c it has a lot of the same plot
― Dreaming in Infrared (kingfish), Thursday, 14 June 2012 04:51 (eleven years ago) link
Avatar is dreadful. Far worse than this.
― Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 14 June 2012 05:41 (eleven years ago) link
I'M GLAD THAT's SETTLED
― contenderizer, Thursday, 14 June 2012 06:50 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, the similarities really are striking. engineers = elder things; black goo = shoggoths; curious explorers, ancient ruins and heiroglyphics, angry gods all present and accounted for.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 14 June 2012 07:05 (eleven years ago) link
I like this:
http://m.hitfix.com/motion-captured/prometheus-second-look-digging-deep-into-spoilers-and-questions
― Dreaming in Infrared (kingfish), Thursday, 14 June 2012 08:00 (eleven years ago) link
http://badassdigest.com/2012/06/08/sam-strange-remembers-prometheus/
Once upon a time, there was a show called Lost. The show was really popular because it allowed people to enjoy hokey sci-fi conventions without feeling like nerds. Everything supposedly serviced a very human story elevated high above geeky crap like that. It pulled this off simply by averring that it was pulling it off. It also kept things vague enough that people would invent the show's integrity all by themselves. By the time characters were time traveling and drinking magic water right and left without abandon, it was far too late for people to call bullshit and walk away. Brilliant.So I hired that Lost guy to write Prometheus. I figured it would go the same way. We'd get people to buy tickets on false promises of thrilling intellectual storytelling and then kind of abandon all that halfway through. It's too much work to make a great movie. But a great trailer is child's play. The masterstroke was calling it an Alien prequel and letting that pedigree do all the work for us. Again, brilliant.Prometheus is about a ship called "Prometheus" that goes looking for sort of a literal Prometheus. In a really cool looking prologue, we see a muscular Space Albino drink Space Acid so that he falls apart into Earth's water supply, therefore creating humans. But not Chimps...
So I hired that Lost guy to write Prometheus. I figured it would go the same way. We'd get people to buy tickets on false promises of thrilling intellectual storytelling and then kind of abandon all that halfway through. It's too much work to make a great movie. But a great trailer is child's play. The masterstroke was calling it an Alien prequel and letting that pedigree do all the work for us. Again, brilliant.
Prometheus is about a ship called "Prometheus" that goes looking for sort of a literal Prometheus. In a really cool looking prologue, we see a muscular Space Albino drink Space Acid so that he falls apart into Earth's water supply, therefore creating humans. But not Chimps...
― Dreaming in Infrared (kingfish), Thursday, 14 June 2012 08:19 (eleven years ago) link
― badg, Wednesday, June 13, 2012 10:26 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This is exactly backwards.
― Julie Derpy (Phil D.), Thursday, 14 June 2012 09:35 (eleven years ago) link
Although maybe not, if you're positing that "science fiction" and "sci-fi" are two different things.
― Julie Derpy (Phil D.), Thursday, 14 June 2012 09:36 (eleven years ago) link
distinction between scifi and sf can just diaf, afaiac
― thomp, Thursday, 14 June 2012 11:37 (eleven years ago) link
SCIENTIFICTION 4EVER
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 14 June 2012 12:56 (eleven years ago) link