for some reason my memory is that the second NOES is the superior one but I get them mixed up. various scenes from all of them are well-etched into my memory.
The second is the only one that doesn't really have much to do with the others. And the people involved in its creation have come around to totally owning up to its (fairly obvious, once you see it as an adult) homoerotic undertones.
― Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 21 May 2012 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
I made a similar point on another thread--that all the remakes and the turn towards camp undermined how genuinely creepy the original was. (Don't think I saw anything past the first sequel.)
― clemenza, Monday, 21 May 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
I had Pulse 6th, Ringu 38th.
Only saw the first NoES and was underwhelmed.
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Monday, 21 May 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
There's a great 4-hour(!!) documentary called Never Sleep Again about the whole series, really exhaustive & honest as well as making you appreciate the heck out of the series in general. Apparently the creators are giving the same treatment to F13 soon.
― The Thnig, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
I will mention that Ronee Blakely is unbelievably bad...voted for it anyway.
― clemenza, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
If you are curious, I would prob suggest just starting w/ the first of either & going from there. Both series are remarkably consistent (some might say one-trick).
thanks! will do
― original bgm, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
the kid whose veins become puppet strings
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Based on my reaction to this discussion, I should have placed this movie a lot higher than I did.
― carl agatha, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
also have a big, dumb soft spot for jason vs. freddy (and jason goes to hell for that matter)
― original bgm, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
^ this scene was in #3, no? It didn't quite make my ballot, but Dream Warriors is one of the only horror sequels to give the original a run for its money imo.
xp
― Apartment of Evil (Pillbox), Monday, 21 May 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
Jason vs Freddy is great fun
vein-puppet is in #3 yes
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 21 May 2012 21:07 (twelve years ago) link
I wouldn't have voted for #3, but probably should have placed #1 higher for having established the brand that resulted in face-pizza and vein puppetry.
― carl agatha, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
It's always been amusing to see how a red-and-green sweater -- possibly the least scary item of clothing ever -- became so associated with horror.
― The Thnig, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
http://0.tqn.com/d/horror/1/0/B/S/0/-/ElmSt_puppet.jpg
― The Thnig, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
Dream Warriors is one of the only horror sequels to give the original a run for its money imo.
the more I think about it, the more this seems totally rong (insofar as sequel-to-og quality ratio, not Dream Warriors being dope)
― Apartment of Evil (Pillbox), Monday, 21 May 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
xp blarg!
― carl agatha, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
The second NOES is the one with the very homoerotic subtext, as well as a more pronounced viciousness. The rest of them are all a little too "let's get the gang together to beat Freddy!" for my tastes, though the first one has a lot going for it. Wes Craven is so smart that while I rarely like his movies, I always like his DVD commentaries. Just very perceptive, even when what's on screen is sort of shoddy or boilerplate.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, for a dude as sharp and talented as Wes Craven, you'd think his overall track record would be a bit better (then again, John Carpenter..)
― Apartment of Evil (Pillbox), Monday, 21 May 2012 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
Really liked Robert England the two times in the series that he played without make-up: as himself in Wes Craven's New Nightmare and as a pre-burned Freddy in (I think) Freddy's Dead.
― The Thnig, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:15 (twelve years ago) link
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcu16lfF1F1qch9gxo1_500.jpg
― Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
As a kid, I would've shanked a family member for one of these.
http://www.amazon.com/Nightmare-Street-Deluxe-Freddy-Glove/dp/B000A0YPPQ
― The Thnig, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
Where is je55e? I believe he has a story of making his own Freddy glove out of household items.
― carl agatha, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:19 (twelve years ago) link
still haven't seen any of the japanese ringu/ju-on films. which ones are worth it?
related and perhaps of interest, all dealing with ghosts, curses and/or "haunted" technology:
dark water - again, original onlyshutter - thailand, inspired another worthless remakenoroi: the curse - recent, damn goodthe eye - hong kong, somewhat different in theme & approach, but similar enough to mention herepulse - not a personal favorite, but enough people like it that i figure it deserves mentionmarebito - interesting variation on similar themesuzumaki - weird & wacky low-budget curse flick, a personal favorite
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Monday, 21 May 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link
yay pulse. kinda weird how something so purposefully distanced/detached can be so dread-filled/moving.
ed3 otm about the progressive watering down of freddy.
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Monday, 21 May 2012 21:23 (twelve years ago) link
So The Ring is still going to place, right? (in the proper order)
That screencap of NOES is perfect. As a 4th grader, I made my own Freddy glove out of a glove, sheet metal, and wire. The nice Protestants my parents had over for after-church lunch seemed impressed with it and my re-telling of the movie (my parents were too out-of-touch to get what I was talking about).
haha xps
― Pita Malört (Je55e), Monday, 21 May 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
New Nightmare is flawed, but it's a pretty heroic effort from Craven to wrestle Freddy back to something scary. Admirable film, and pre-dates Scream by a couple years.
― The Thnig, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
"HORROR SHIRT" looks like Phyllis Diller with bruises on her head.
― Pita Malört (Je55e), Monday, 21 May 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
The nice Protestants my parents had over for after-church lunch seemed impressed with it and my re-telling of the movie
<3 x infinity
― carl agatha, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
I had a freddy glove w/ plastic blades as a kid - I wish I could say this made me the envy of my friends, but they were sold at Spencer's Gifts at my local mall & thus quite the popular Halloween accessory for kids of a certain age.
― Apartment of Evil (Pillbox), Monday, 21 May 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
the thnig otm re: new nightmare
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Monday, 21 May 2012 21:30 (twelve years ago) link
We had no Spencer's in the country. I actually had to fashion metal blades out of steel in the shed out back and murder several teenagers before anyone anyone even bothered to lock me up in my kill-house and burn me alive.
xpost
― The Thnig, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
High-5, Thnig. We had no Spencer's within...50 miles? of my home, but we had plenty of sheet metal and tools, and not much parental intervention (which I do not say as a criticism at all).
― Pita Malört (Je55e), Monday, 21 May 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link
I was Freddy for Halloween.
― Jeff, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
Je55e & The Thnig, I humbly bow to your superior level of childhood awesomeness.
― Apartment of Evil (Pillbox), Monday, 21 May 2012 21:37 (twelve years ago) link
ringu and the ring - the american remake is surprising goodju-on: the grudge and ju-on 2 - in this case, skip the remakesrelated and perhaps of interest, all dealing with ghosts, curses and/or "haunted" technology:dark water - again, original onlyshutter - thailand, inspired another worthless remakenoroi: the curse - recent, damn goodthe eye - hong kong, somewhat different in theme & approach, but similar enough to mention herepulse - not a personal favorite, but enough people like it that i figure it deserves mentionmarebito - interesting variation on similar themesuzumaki - weird & wacky low-budget curse flick, a personal favorite
oh right on, thank you! pulse is the only one on here that I've seen. (liked it, voted for it.)
― original bgm, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
actually, I've seen the american ring. don't remember much but I liked it at the time.
The Ring is, in a bunch of ways, my platonic ideal for a horror movie
― I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Monday, 21 May 2012 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
There are some people around here (me) who think The Ring is better than Ringu. Ju-on: The Grudge is fantastic and v. creepy. But I can't agree w/ contenderizer enough on the Ju-on remakes. Those are absolutely dire.
― carl agatha, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
I like The Ring far better than Ringu and I feel like I have to defend that opinion by saying that it is not b/c of an overriding taste, but b/c I think it's a better movie.
― Pita Malört (Je55e), Monday, 21 May 2012 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
I assume The Ring will turn up; I also liked it better.
― clemenza, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
geatest scenes with bathtubs?
there can be only one!
http://coosacreek.org/mambo/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/diabolique-4.jpg
― piscesx, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
I watched the original NOES -- which was #6 on my ballot -- on VHS when it first came out, just me and my mom home together on a Friday night. I would have been 15 at the time. She fell asleep on the couch during the movie, some watched alone and it scared the ever-loving shit out of me. I had seen tons of scary movies by then, but that one just really got under my skin, especially the Johnny Depp death and the scene in the sleep clinic.
Wish Craven could have kept his original ending and stopped the franchise before it got started, even if as noted above most of the sequels at least have a set piece or two to recommend.
many xps - The Ring is objectively better than Ringu IMHO.
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Monday, 21 May 2012 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
I liked The Ring better because I didn't have to read it.
― Jeff, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
is the first NOES the one with the kid in the body bag walking through the high school's halls? that was an image that really stuck with me.
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 21 May 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
Yes, when...what's her name (Lisa?) falls asleep in class.
I always forget Johnny Depp (blech) was in NOES!
― Pita Malört (Je55e), Monday, 21 May 2012 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
BLECH???!?!????
― carl agatha, Monday, 21 May 2012 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
Friendship over.
Although that Tonto bullshit going on now is pretty racist.
Okay, friendship back on.
No, blech in general, since I can remember. I hate seeing him. Except the aversion broke when I saw him in previews for Dark Shadows. I liked Edward Scissorhands, but that was IN SPITE OF Johnny Blech.
― Pita Malört (Je55e), Monday, 21 May 2012 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
this thread isn't the place for it, but burton's dark shadows is so incredibly bad :(
― spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Monday, 21 May 2012 22:14 (twelve years ago) link