The Haunt Of Fear: ILX Top 100 HORROR Movies Poll Results Thread

love nightmare on elm street but didn't vote for it. it's become a time capsule and is hard to view as anything but 80s camp, but i love the inventiveness and sense of anarchic fun.

My one big problem with the Nightmare on Elm Street series was always that they represented nightmares about as faithfully as Ghostbusters did ghosts. Which was less of a problem as the series became goofier but it did detract a bit from the initial installment, imo. I still love the first four, though, all of which made my ballot (and if you think that's shameful, you'll be pleased to know that A Nightmare on Elm Street 4 is about 10 spots higher on my ballot than the first).

I, on the other hand, was the perfect age to have the bejeezus scared out of me by the first three or so.

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for some reason my memory is that the second NOES is the superior one but I get them mixed up. various scenes from all of them are well-etched into my memory.

and if you think that's shameful, you'll be pleased to know that A Nightmare on Elm Street 4 is about 10 spots higher on my ballot than the first

Ha. I have one v. shameful sequel ranking considerably higher than its well-acclaimed and sure to place high original. So high five to you, friend.

OK, I added Pulse to my streaming Netflix queue. Hope I don't regret it.

I won't even pretend that my NOES votes aren't total nostalgia votes, even though I really do still enjoy those first four. The first one was very possibly the first R-rated movie I ever saw, and the fourth was definitely the first I ever saw in the theater (thanks, my friend's awesome mom).

Several deaths in the series always creeped me out: the girl who turned into an insect Cronenberg-style, the kid whose veins become puppet strings, the anorexic girl who is force-fed flesh. But the deaths in the original are so iconic: Tina on the ceiling, Depp sucked into the bed, etc.

for some reason my memory is that the second NOES is the superior one but I get them mixed up. various scenes from all of them are well-etched into my memory.

The second is the only one that doesn't really have much to do with the others. And the people involved in its creation have come around to totally owning up to its (fairly obvious, once you see it as an adult) homoerotic undertones.

I made a similar point on another thread--that all the remakes and the turn towards camp undermined how genuinely creepy the original was. (Don't think I saw anything past the first sequel.)

I had Pulse 6th, Ringu 38th.

Only saw the first NoES and was underwhelmed.

There's a great 4-hour(!!) documentary called Never Sleep Again about the whole series, really exhaustive & honest as well as making you appreciate the heck out of the series in general. Apparently the creators are giving the same treatment to F13 soon.

I will mention that Ronee Blakely is unbelievably bad...voted for it anyway.

If you are curious, I would prob suggest just starting w/ the first of either & going from there. Both series are remarkably consistent (some might say one-trick).

thanks! will do

the kid whose veins become puppet strings

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Based on my reaction to this discussion, I should have placed this movie a lot higher than I did.

also have a big, dumb soft spot for jason vs. freddy (and jason goes to hell for that matter)

^ this scene was in #3, no? It didn't quite make my ballot, but Dream Warriors is one of the only horror sequels to give the original a run for its money imo.

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Jason vs Freddy is great fun

vein-puppet is in #3 yes

I wouldn't have voted for #3, but probably should have placed #1 higher for having established the brand that resulted in face-pizza and vein puppetry.

It's always been amusing to see how a red-and-green sweater -- possibly the least scary item of clothing ever -- became so associated with horror.

http://0.tqn.com/d/horror/1/0/B/S/0/-/ElmSt_puppet.jpg

Dream Warriors is one of the only horror sequels to give the original a run for its money imo.

the more I think about it, the more this seems totally rong (insofar as sequel-to-og quality ratio, not Dream Warriors being dope)

xp blarg!

The second NOES is the one with the very homoerotic subtext, as well as a more pronounced viciousness. The rest of them are all a little too "let's get the gang together to beat Freddy!" for my tastes, though the first one has a lot going for it. Wes Craven is so smart that while I rarely like his movies, I always like his DVD commentaries. Just very perceptive, even when what's on screen is sort of shoddy or boilerplate.

yeah, for a dude as sharp and talented as Wes Craven, you'd think his overall track record would be a bit better (then again, John Carpenter..)

Really liked Robert England the two times in the series that he played without make-up: as himself in Wes Craven's New Nightmare and as a pre-burned Freddy in (I think) Freddy's Dead.

It's always been amusing to see how a red-and-green sweater -- possibly the least scary item of clothing ever -- became so associated with horror.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcu16lfF1F1qch9gxo1_500.jpg

As a kid, I would've shanked a family member for one of these.

http://www.amazon.com/Nightmare-Street-Deluxe-Freddy-Glove/dp/B000A0YPPQ

Where is je55e? I believe he has a story of making his own Freddy glove out of household items.

still haven't seen any of the japanese ringu/ju-on films. which ones are worth it?

related and perhaps of interest, all dealing with ghosts, curses and/or "haunted" technology:

dark water - again, original only
shutter - thailand, inspired another worthless remake
noroi: the curse - recent, damn good
the eye - hong kong, somewhat different in theme & approach, but similar enough to mention here
pulse - not a personal favorite, but enough people like it that i figure it deserves mention
marebito - interesting variation on similar themes
uzumaki - weird & wacky low-budget curse flick, a personal favorite

yay pulse. kinda weird how something so purposefully distanced/detached can be so dread-filled/moving.

ed3 otm about the progressive watering down of freddy.

So The Ring is still going to place, right? (in the proper order)

That screencap of NOES is perfect. As a 4th grader, I made my own Freddy glove out of a glove, sheet metal, and wire. The nice Protestants my parents had over for after-church lunch seemed impressed with it and my re-telling of the movie (my parents were too out-of-touch to get what I was talking about).

haha xps

New Nightmare is flawed, but it's a pretty heroic effort from Craven to wrestle Freddy back to something scary. Admirable film, and pre-dates Scream by a couple years.

"HORROR SHIRT" looks like Phyllis Diller with bruises on her head.

The nice Protestants my parents had over for after-church lunch seemed impressed with it and my re-telling of the movie

<3 x infinity

I had a freddy glove w/ plastic blades as a kid - I wish I could say this made me the envy of my friends, but they were sold at Spencer's Gifts at my local mall & thus quite the popular Halloween accessory for kids of a certain age.

the thnig otm re: new nightmare

We had no Spencer's in the country. I actually had to fashion metal blades out of steel in the shed out back and murder several teenagers before anyone anyone even bothered to lock me up in my kill-house and burn me alive.

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High-5, Thnig. We had no Spencer's within...50 miles? of my home, but we had plenty of sheet metal and tools, and not much parental intervention (which I do not say as a criticism at all).

I was Freddy for Halloween.

Je55e & The Thnig, I humbly bow to your superior level of childhood awesomeness.

ringu and the ring - the american remake is surprising good
ju-on: the grudge and ju-on 2 - in this case, skip the remakes

related and perhaps of interest, all dealing with ghosts, curses and/or "haunted" technology:

dark water - again, original only
shutter - thailand, inspired another worthless remake
noroi: the curse - recent, damn good
the eye - hong kong, somewhat different in theme & approach, but similar enough to mention here
pulse - not a personal favorite, but enough people like it that i figure it deserves mention
marebito - interesting variation on similar themes
uzumaki - weird & wacky low-budget curse flick, a personal favorite

oh right on, thank you! pulse is the only one on here that I've seen. (liked it, voted for it.)

actually, I've seen the american ring. don't remember much but I liked it at the time.

The Ring is, in a bunch of ways, my platonic ideal for a horror movie

There are some people around here (me) who think The Ring is better than Ringu. Ju-on: The Grudge is fantastic and v. creepy. But I can't agree w/ contenderizer enough on the Ju-on remakes. Those are absolutely dire.

I like The Ring far better than Ringu and I feel like I have to defend that opinion by saying that it is not b/c of an overriding taste, but b/c I think it's a better movie.

I assume The Ring will turn up; I also liked it better.

geatest scenes with bathtubs?

there can be only one!

http://coosacreek.org/mambo/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/diabolique-4.jpg

I watched the original NOES -- which was #6 on my ballot -- on VHS when it first came out, just me and my mom home together on a Friday night. I would have been 15 at the time. She fell asleep on the couch during the movie, some watched alone and it scared the ever-loving shit out of me. I had seen tons of scary movies by then, but that one just really got under my skin, especially the Johnny Depp death and the scene in the sleep clinic.

Wish Craven could have kept his original ending and stopped the franchise before it got started, even if as noted above most of the sequels at least have a set piece or two to recommend.

many xps - The Ring is objectively better than Ringu IMHO.

I liked The Ring better because I didn't have to read it.