^ redundant, i guess, in view of what deric just said
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Friday, 18 May 2012 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
did want to thank KJB for this paragraph, the best thing anyone's said about genre itt (emphasis mine):
I do think that the arguments about boundaries in this thread (and others like it, I presume) reveal a misunderstanding about genre because genre is more a perpetual activity than a thing per se, more a verb than a noun. As Rick Altman puts it, "genres must be seen as a site of struggle among users" (in Film/Genre, p. 99). Or here's a juicier quote: "Whereas no critical discourse, however prestigious and oft repeated, can become part of Hamlet, even the lowliest of genre critics cannot help but contribute to the genre itself" (84).
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Friday, 18 May 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
That said, I'm always trying to take in positive critical takes on various things to gauge what might be worth a look-see, so (as I said before) I'm always happy to see ILX poll results that are surprising and filled with things I haven't seen/heard of/read. 'Cuz I largely trust the intention and thoughtfulness underlying y'all's taste, even if my tastes don't always align with those of the ILX massive.
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 18 May 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link
Rick Altman was my advisor in college.
― The Thnig, Friday, 18 May 2012 22:26 (twelve years ago) link
And he was HORRIFYING!!! There, better?
― The Thnig, Friday, 18 May 2012 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
Actually, a big project of mine in Altman's class was analyzing the sound effects of the Leslie Neilson segment of CREEPSHOW. aaaand scene.
― The Thnig, Friday, 18 May 2012 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
:D
― carl agatha, Friday, 18 May 2012 22:56 (twelve years ago) link
martyrs kinda killed a certain kind of movie for me. after watching it, i definitely remember feeling like "well, that certainly closes a chapter in 21st-centur horror flicks." not that they'll stop coming, but i mean, why bother?
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:07 (twelve years ago) link
Wow, Thnig. That sounds awesome. I'm mildly obsessed with the voice effect Romero used for the water zombies. And the one used for Nathan Grantham's voice. And the sound of Nathan Grantham pulling himself out of the soil. And pretty much every single use of sound in that movie.
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:15 (twelve years ago) link
also shaun of the dead is the only "oh, you fuckers" for me today, but not because "it's not horror."
― jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:17 (twelve years ago) link
Anybody want to help a brother out and do a today recap? Currently posting from an iPhone so you don't need to worry abt a long boring tirade or anything.
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:21 (twelve years ago) link
yeah Shaun of the Dead is clearly a horror movie (albeit of the comedy variety) I just don't think it's that good.
xp
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
70. Let's Scare Jessica to Death69. Cemetary Man68. Cure67. Hour of the Wolf66. The Innocents65. Mulholland Drive64. Gremlins63. Shaun of the Dead62. Frankenstein61. M60. Vampyr59. Cat People (1942)58. Martyrs57. Bride of Frankenstein56. The Vanishing
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:27 (twelve years ago) link
plus lots of arguments about what does/doesn't belong here
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
No more results until Monday, right?
― carl agatha, Friday, 18 May 2012 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
I defended the presence of M, other people stood up for Gremlins, Morbz complained about old shit getting the shaft, retread of torture-porn debate re: Martyrs, the end
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:31 (twelve years ago) link
You forgot the part where we all reached consensus on a working definition of "horror".
― Ninja Rap (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:33 (twelve years ago) link
oh right. high fives all around!
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:34 (twelve years ago) link
xp - that about covers it, yeah, plus intermittent grousing about arty shit and a long but useful kjb truthbomb
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:35 (twelve years ago) link
Deric--me too, those exact 2 same zombie voices in Creepshow have always fascinated me. They're so, I dunno, gargley. xpost
― The Thnig, Friday, 18 May 2012 23:37 (twelve years ago) link
who voted for Shaun of the Dead btw? I like zombie comedies and this one was okay, but it didn't seem particularly inventive, nor did it have the manic energy of DeadAlive or Evil Dead 2
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:41 (twelve years ago) link
I did. I think it's great and that it works on a number of levels, almost the least of which is as a zombie movie (which, I gathered, was sort of the point). So it was a little lower on my ballot.
― Ninja Rap (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:45 (twelve years ago) link
Full recap:
056. The Vanishing [Spoorloos] [1988, 326 points, 11 votes]057. The Bride of Frankenstein [1935, 326 points, 9 votes]058. Martyrs [2008, 319 points, 10 votes]059. Cat People [1942, 316 points, 12 votes]060. Vampyr [1932, 314 points, 8 votes]
061. M [1931, 312 points, 9 votes, 1 first-place vote]062. Frankenstein [1931, 301 points, 13 votes]063. Shaun of the Dead [2004, 301 points, 11 votes]064. Gremlins [1984, 299 points, 12 votes]065. Mulholland Drive [2001, 299 points, 9 votes]066. The Innocents [1961, 298 points, 10 votes]067. Hour of the Wolf [Vargtimmen] [1968, 292 points, 10 votes]068. Cure [Kyua] [1997, 289 points, 9 votes]069. Cemetery Man [Dellamorte Dellamore] [1994, 288 points, 8 votes, 1 first-place vote]070. Let's Scare Jessica to Death [1971, 272 points, 11 votes]
071. Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer [1986, 272 points, 10 votes]072. Curse of the Demon [Night of the Demon] [1957, 261 points, 9 votes](tie). Drag Me To Hell [2009, 261 points, 9 votes]074. Threads [1984, 251 points, 6 votes]075. Creepshow [1982, 250 points, 10 votes](tie). Invasion Of The Body Snatchers [1956, 250 points, 10 votes]077. Pan's Labyrinth [2006, 246 points, 9 votes]078. Hellraiser [1987, 232 points, 10 votes]079. Dead Ringers [1988, 228 points, 8 votes]080. Nosferatu: Phantom der Nacht [1979, 226 points, 8 votes]
081. Duel [1971, 224 points, 8 votes]082. Kwaidan [1964, 224 points, 6 votes, 1 first-place vote]083. Picnic at Hanging Rock [1975, 220 points, 7 votes]084. Near Dark [1987, 219 points, 10 votes]085. Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me [1992, 218 points, 8 votes]086. Witchfinder General [The Conqueror Worm] [1968, 209 points, 10 votes]087. I Walked with a Zombie [1943, 208 points, 8 votes]088. The Seventh Victim [1943, 206 points, 6 votes, 1 first-place vote]089. Wolf Creek [2005, 205 points, 7 votes]090. Dressed To Kill [1980, 202 points, 8 votes, 1 first-place vote]
091. Curse of the Cat People [1944, 200 points, 5 votes]092. Onibaba [1964, 191 points, 7 votes]093. Se7en [1995, 189 points, 10 votes]094. Paranormal Activity [2007, 189 points, 7 votes]095. The Cabin in the Woods [2012, 189 points, 6 votes]096. May [2002, 186 points, 8 votes]097. [rec] [2007, 178 points, 7 votes]098. Blood on Satan's Claw [Satan's Skin] [1971, 177 points, 8 votes]099. Pontypool [2008, 176 points, 7 votes]100. Phantasm [1979, 175 points, 8 votes]
― emil.y, Friday, 18 May 2012 23:51 (twelve years ago) link
Ones from my ballot that have made it so far:
056. The Vanishing [Spoorloos] [1988, 326 points, 11 votes]059. Cat People [1942, 316 points, 12 votes]060. Vampyr [1932, 314 points, 8 votes]062. Frankenstein [1931, 301 points, 13 votes]067. Hour of the Wolf [Vargtimmen] [1968, 292 points, 10 votes]074. Threads [1984, 251 points, 6 votes]086. Witchfinder General [The Conqueror Worm] [1968, 209 points, 10 votes]092. Onibaba [1964, 191 points, 7 votes]098. Blood on Satan's Claw [Satan's Skin] [1971, 177 points, 8 votes]
― emil.y, Friday, 18 May 2012 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
I'm up to ten: The Vanishing (Spoorloos), Shaun of the Dead, Gremlins, Mulholland Drive, Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer, Creepshow, Hellraiser, Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me, Seven, Phantasm.
― Ninja Rap (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 18 May 2012 23:59 (twelve years ago) link
i did not vote for SotD, but i don't think its appeal lies in invention or manic energy. it's more about performances, attention to character, charm and wit.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
Creepshow, at #5 on my ballot, is the only one of my top 15 (i.e. the ones I'm really invested in) to make it thus far.
― Ninja Rap (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:02 (twelve years ago) link
voted for these:
056. The Vanishing066. The Innocents077. Pan's Labyrinth079. Dead Ringers080. Nosferatu: Phantom der Nacht084. Near Dark085. Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me
― Simon H., Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:04 (twelve years ago) link
THUS FAR: Curse Of The Cat People, The Seventh Victim, Witchfinder General, Cemetary Man, Cure, The Innocents.
All the classy items on my list have ranked thus far (beyond good' n gory CM).
― I serve at the pleasure of Dr. Dre and a team of Sorbonne scientists. (R Baez), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:05 (twelve years ago) link
nine so far: phantasm, pontypool, may, creepshow, cemetery man, cure, hour of the wolf, mulholland dr. and the bride of frankenstein
somewhat regret not voting for: dressed to kill, near dark and cat people.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
ALSO: I salute your ghoulish PUNS-MANSHIP, Eric H.
― I serve at the pleasure of Dr. Dre and a team of Sorbonne scientists. (R Baez), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, he really knows how to BURN a phrase
(you know, as though it were tied to a stake and in need of burning)
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:11 (twelve years ago) link
holy shit eric h, i only just found this thread, you are fantastic
― Autumn Almanac, Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
I voted for it. Per my gut-instinct voting non-strategy strategy, I liked it and thought it was fun.
― carl agatha, Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
has a SLAY with words, etc
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
Didn't vote but SotD would have made my ballot.
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:22 (twelve years ago) link
films that i voted for thusfar (12-for-45):
059. Cat People060. Vampyr061. M063. Shaun of the Dead067. Hour of the Wolf [Vargtimmen]071. Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer075. Invasion Of The Body Snatchers [1956]077. Pan's Labyrinth082. Kwaidan080. Nosferatu: Phantom der Nacht090. Dressed To Kill093. Se7en
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:47 (twelve years ago) link
KJB's ethos works for him bcz he's seen everything. YMMV, DWH
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:56 (twelve years ago) link
my votes thus far:
061. M [1931, 312 points, 9 votes, 1 first-place vote]065. Mulholland Drive [2001, 299 points, 9 votes]066. The Innocents [1961, 298 points, 10 votes]070. Let's Scare Jessica to Death [1971, 272 points, 11 votes](tie). Drag Me To Hell [2009, 261 points, 9 votes]075. Creepshow [1982, 250 points, 10 votes]084. Near Dark [1987, 219 points, 10 votes]086. Witchfinder General [The Conqueror Worm] [1968, 209 points, 10 votes]089. Wolf Creek [2005, 205 points, 7 votes]096. May [2002, 186 points, 8 votes]100. Phantasm [1979, 175 points, 8 votes]
― Darin, Saturday, 19 May 2012 01:07 (twelve years ago) link
Could be, but I don't personally view the discovery and consumption of art as a race or a competition. I like to think that I'll still be discovering gems in my golden years. Plus I have no professional incentive to be massively coversant about any particular artform, so it's nice to relax my slacks and not feel any need to "keep up".
― Ninja Rap (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 19 May 2012 01:35 (twelve years ago) link
I think you may have the notion that I'm artistically incurious, Morbs, which really isn't the case.
― Ninja Rap (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 19 May 2012 01:38 (twelve years ago) link
nah I wouldn't assume that, bub
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 19 May 2012 01:39 (twelve years ago) link
...but I am not going to risk Wm Castle-style cardiac arrest by watching new horror films in my dotage.
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 19 May 2012 01:41 (twelve years ago) link
"He died as he lived … talking about movies he never saw."
I just watched THREADS on YouTube. Yipes.
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Saturday, 19 May 2012 01:55 (twelve years ago) link
took me a while to realize that upthread references to 'them' as one of the movies-too-scary-to-watch were not references to the giant atomic ant movie.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 19 May 2012 01:59 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, it's the French remake, iirc.
― Ninja Rap (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 19 May 2012 02:06 (twelve years ago) link
not a remake unless joeks in which case n/m
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Saturday, 19 May 2012 02:37 (twelve years ago) link
them! was not remade as them which was remade as the strangers
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Saturday, 19 May 2012 02:38 (twelve years ago) link
1. wait, my Them vote was a vote for the giant atomic ant movie!
2. genre is less a verb than an adjective imo
― sarahell, Saturday, 19 May 2012 02:59 (twelve years ago) link
Personal wrap-up:Putting The Innocents, M, Vampyr and The Bride Of Frankenstein on the To Do list.
Contemplating to better store Ils deep down in a well or something instead of watching it someday.
Especially delighted to see Spoorloos place so high.It's very hard to put it in words the right way, but I still very vividly remember that distinct silence at the final scene that befell me, my brother and my father watching it on TV years ago. Never again experienced this phenomen of having a whole group of people in union being slapped by a film in such a way (on the other hand, I tend to watch my horror films on my own generally).
― the europan nikon is here (grauschleier), Saturday, 19 May 2012 03:02 (twelve years ago) link