I remember reading about the making of this & how Spielberg was basically driven crazy (ha) by walls & walls of storyboards, because the movie was essentially all storyboards. Script was probably 25 pages long.
― The Thnig, Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
Pls note -- 8 votes, 226 pointshigh passion rating for arty vampyr
― game of crones (La Lechera), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
afaict they're making this movie - lucky us!
yeah, I am strenuously hoping for some angle that is not this
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
i prefer the herzog nosferatu to the OG Murnau version b/c i saw a really shitty print of the Murnau Nosferatu (on Netflix) w/ a really inappropriate score. i would jump for a chance to see a decent print of the Murnau version in a theater, preferably w/ a good matching score, before i pass final judgment on it.
my comments about liking expressionist-style horror films over more "realist" ones notwithstanding, what sells the Herzog version is the idea of a Klaus Kinski-style vampire being set loose in a real-looking Romanian gypsy village or real-looking German/Dutch town to unleash real-looking havoc (all of those rats and corpses!)
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
Now that I'm thinking about it, man, so many movies fuck up vampires so badly. I re-watched the Frank Langella "Dracula" recently and it had so much potential and just ended up so grrrrrr.
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
THERE IS A CAR CHASE IN THAT FRIGGING MOVIE. WHY???
With each passing movie revealed, I get nervous the next one's gonna be The Human Centipede. The higher we get, the higher go the nerves.
― The Thnig, Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
lol it's like the napoleon dynamite of horror movies!!!
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
with more segments
― remy bean, Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
Would watch a version with Napoleon, Kip and Pedro sewn together. In that order.
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:10 (twelve years ago) link
"These two DEAD RINGERS put the DEAD in DEAD RINGERS! And the RINGERS too, they put the RINGERS in DEAD RINGERS! And they sure solve that pesky RING around the COLLAR ... you know, down there. THAT collar!"
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79. DEAD RINGERSDavid Cronenberg, Canada, 1988(228 points, 8 votes)
I always get dead ringers confused with raising cain for a moment.― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, January 28, 2003 5:06 PM (9 years ago)Dead Ringers is his funniest film! Also: Genevieve Bujold is hawt.― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:35 PM (2 years ago)will never understand the love for Dead Ringers. someone offer a defense of this terminally boring, one-trick movie― a triumph in high-tech nipple obfuscation (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, December 9, 2009 6:05 PM (2 years ago)
Dead Ringers is his funniest film! Also: Genevieve Bujold is hawt.― Hell is other people. In an ILE film forum. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:35 PM (2 years ago)
will never understand the love for Dead Ringers. someone offer a defense of this terminally boring, one-trick movie― a triumph in high-tech nipple obfuscation (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, December 9, 2009 6:05 PM (2 years ago)
― Count-Dracula-Down (Eric H.), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
Meh. Recently realized I own this on VHS. Maybe I'll give it another shot.
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
BOOO
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
movie wears out its welcome so quickly for me. I've seen it several times and at the end of each my main takeaway has just been irritation.
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
haven't seen this one, so no comment.
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
"gynecological instruments for operating on mutant women"
^ sometimes the idea is all you need (or want)
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
"What is it with you, chum?" -- Genevieve Bujold, Dead Ringers
― Count-Dracula-Down (Eric H.), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
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― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
^^^Shakey
love dead ringers, and though i didn't vote for it, i'm happy to see it here. so creepy. pillbox's screencap could not be more perfect.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
Great movie, but I always felt the title was too Tales from the Crypt for such a movie (no offense to the Cryptkeeper).
― The Thnig, Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
Original title was Twins, but Reitman beat him to the punch.
― I serve at the pleasure of Dr. Dre and a team of Sorbonne scientists. (R Baez), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
so then is this thing similar to DePalma's Sisters?!?
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
yeah see this just isn't interesting to me. the women aren't mutants, the gynecologists are just mysogynists. okay.
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
and the "instruments" don't even come into it at all apart from a few scenes towards the end. most of the movie is dedicated to Irons' talking to himself - always had the impression we're supposed to be engaged/amazed by the double-acting going on than anything else, and I just find it boring.
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
like "oooh which is which!?" who cares when they're both such vacant characters
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
somebody's a little sensitive about his trifurcated cervix
― remy bean, Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
I voted for it, even though I'm still not sure if it's really a horror film or not. I think it's an exceptionally sad film. Great use of "In the Still of the Nite."
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
nothing itt makes me want to see this.
― He's sick of the Swiss. He don't like em. (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
I could barely tolerate Dead Ringers and it gave me nightmares for a good long while. (I love Sisters though.) There's something about the twins and the gynecological instruments that makes my disturbometer go haywire, like dental work does. It's the only thing I remember about the movie, and I can't unremember it even 20+ years later.
― game of crones (La Lechera), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
But fans of the movie should definitely check out the Museum of Surgical Science in Chicago -- lots of really super messed up looking medical instruments there.
― game of crones (La Lechera), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
Director cameo worthy of Hitchcock.
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
Great Irons performance(s). Scene of Bujold being 'examined' is pretty horrifying.
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
Surely our fave Cronenberg cameo is as the surgeon who delivers the maggot-baby in The Fly. It's kind of crazy that I can type that sentence and have it not be a spoiler.
― The Thnig, Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
Great production design all around in that movie (by Cronenberg's wife IIRC?). Like the Spanish Inquisition medical scrubs and exam room.
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― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
looks cool and yet makes no sense
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
haven't seen it since it was in the theaters, liked it but never really understood the universal love. not really horror either? but I guess who else is going to enjoy it besides horror fans
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
I loooove Dead Ringers.
― polyphonic, Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
"There's something about this one that RAISES one HELL of a headache, but I can't quite PIN it down!"
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78. HELLRAISERClive Barker, UK, 1987(232 points, 10 votes)
b-but being a hideous dark monstah of the ever-evil underworld is an allegory for being gay!!― mark s, Friday, June 14, 2002 7:00 PM (9 years ago)"In its original incarnation, Barker's adaptation of his own novella The Hellbound Heart touched upon something genuinely unsettling: not just the pleasure of pain, but also the pain of sex," me, on Slant
"In its original incarnation, Barker's adaptation of his own novella The Hellbound Heart touched upon something genuinely unsettling: not just the pleasure of pain, but also the pain of sex," me, on Slant
― Count-Dracula-Down (Eric H.), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
cool monsters but hated it otherwise
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
dead ringers is the cronenberg joint I gave the most points to on my ballot. I found the hallucinatory unease in its final third to be so vexing that I haven't had a desire to rewatch it, but is very effective at what it does!
― Apartment of Evil (Pillbox), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
That's about where it should be. I enjoy the first two Hellraisers (and the first well enough to have voted for it), but I couldn't stir up the energy to argue for either as, like, the cream of the horror crop. They're good at what they do, and what they do is basically a thing that no other horror movies do, so that's maybe noteworthy in and of itself.
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
barker always seems to put concept before characterization and it never works for me
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I can respect Hellraiser - there's enough good ideas in there - but I don't really enjoy it. didn't vote for it. Ed OTM about concept vs. character. Movie practically doesn't even have characters.
the cenobite that shoots CDs was some kind of high point for the series...
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
Agree -- first two Hellraisers were really something different when they popped up. Kind of a shame Clive Barker didn't go on to become a very interesting filmmaker overall.
― The Thnig, Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
I really dig a lot of the imagery in Hellraiser, but I always found it to be fairly dull otherwise. I remember the second one picked up the pace a bit & was sorta awesome, but my critical acumen at age 13 hasn't aged too well, so./.
― Apartment of Evil (Pillbox), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago) link
My memories of Pinhead's backstory as sketched out by I & II are fuzzy to me now, but I remember finding them fascinating and original at the time (ie, long ago).
― The Thnig, Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
I'm a sucker for movies about masochism, the nature of pain, and weirdo surrealism, so while watching hellraiser all I could think was, "this is checking all my boxes. why isn't it pushing my buttons?"
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
Hellraiser III is to the Hellraiser franchise what Michael Keaton's mentally-handicapped third clone was to Multiplicity. And the rest of the Hellraisers are what would have happened if Michael Keaton had just kept cloning his clones.
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
(I just watched Multiplicity for the first time the other day, so I was also mentally comparing Jeremy Irons' performance in Dead Ringers to Michael Keaton's. I'm sure I'll find some parallel when Human Centipede shows up, as well.)
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 17 May 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link