"night of the hunter"

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yeah that doesn't really mean anything...what would cecil b. de mille done with this material?

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 1 January 2004 22:45 (twenty years ago) link

there are two scenes i really thought i loved:

the woman in the water, of course, the woman in the water.

when mitchum is abt to kill the woman, the shot switches from a close-up view to a shot of the full room, which because at night is bordered in black. i suppose i can't really articulate why this shot is so remarkable.

and one i hated:

the reprise of the 'don't! DON'T!' when mitchum is arrested: this was painful enough the first time round, the boy's first don't too reticent and insincere, his second much too stilted and annoying: and it's acted the same way both times. blech.

i really love the singing all throughout this film too: is that really r. mitchum's voice?

haha oz the movie! i don't see it but i want to!

are welles and laughton similar? when were they around? what's 'touch of evil' like? at all similar?

cozen¡ (Cozen), Thursday, 1 January 2004 22:54 (twenty years ago) link

wells would've fucked up the financing and never have gotten it made is what he would've done with the material

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 1 January 2004 23:02 (twenty years ago) link

"when mitchum is abt to kill the woman, the shot switches from a close-up view to a shot of the full room, which because at night is bordered in black. i suppose i can't really articulate why this shot is so remarkable. "

Maybe partly because the scene is so obviously shot on a sound stage and he not only doesnt attempt to hide the unreality of the thing but actually accentuates it. I suppose thats pretty radical for its time.

jed (jed_e_3), Thursday, 1 January 2004 23:16 (twenty years ago) link

is that where you see the big shadow of mitchum with the knife raised over the bed?

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 1 January 2004 23:53 (twenty years ago) link

it's just prior to that, amst, mitchum has his back to his wife, looking out the window perhaps... it is fairly unremarkable, i think, but still quite bewitching.

cozen¡ (Cozen), Thursday, 1 January 2004 23:56 (twenty years ago) link

ah yeah well see in my head this is totally a cecil b film! or like... who framed roger rabbit

anyway memory sux, i got it on tape so maybe tomorrow

prima fassy (bob), Friday, 2 January 2004 00:10 (twenty years ago) link

yeah this film really seems like a film of moments to me.... i remember (it's been a while) a bunch of shots there were kind of fudged. it sometimes seems like laughton spent a lot of time on select shots (probably the ones people have written about) and not enough on standard dialogue or bridging sequences....

amateur!st (amateurist), Friday, 2 January 2004 00:10 (twenty years ago) link

WWOD - What Would Orson Do?

Two points - set design and river sequence alone make this a keeper.

Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 2 January 2004 00:20 (twenty years ago) link

i love taping things off the telly, u can get such serendipitous combos, my tape of noth also has 'peeping tom' after it! or like my classic one with 'duel in the sun' and 'suddenly last summer'. or, er... the one with 'wild things' and 'something wild'

and which do i watch most

prima fassy (bob), Friday, 2 January 2004 00:25 (twenty years ago) link

what do you mean Girolamo Savonarola ?

jed (jed_e_3), Friday, 2 January 2004 00:27 (twenty years ago) link

The set design of the children's room is great in that it adapts the expressionist mood without condescending towards the pro forma over-extension of psychology-into-environment. It magnifies the religious and charnel elements of the film palpably well enough to give you a sense of dread without necessarily making those direct connections between the thematics and the set aesthetics.

As for the river sequence, the pure Moses/Homer/Aesop/Brothers Grimm gels there perfectly. It's like a cohesion and perversion of every twisted bit of children's literature. Which also goes to show how perverse the genre is enough that (in my view) censorship is a moot point when we let children read things like that which are just as grotesque. (Which to me is fine - it's the censorship that I'm patronizing.)

Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 2 January 2004 00:45 (twenty years ago) link

What Girolamo said.

(another good thread idea.)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 2 January 2004 01:18 (twenty years ago) link

Also, some of you all are seriously fucking up the results a small group of friends and I came up with for the open-ended debate (inspired by a separate online discussion) on what film was the most universally beloved amongst film fans of all stripes, be it auteurist, buffdom, histiorian, critical, whatever...

Passion of Joan of Arc got some soft support, Sunrise (my personal guess) nearly came out on top, but in the end we had settled on Night of the Hunter. Now I have to open the question back up among my chums.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 2 January 2004 01:22 (twenty years ago) link

nice going assholes!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 2 January 2004 01:33 (twenty years ago) link

I guess I've come to the realization that the right answer for the universally beloved film wasn't Sunrise, Joan of Arc, or Night of the Hunter all along. I have yet to meet someone who's seen Make Way for Tomorrow and not loved it.

There, now destroy that one you ciniphile-nihilist fuckers!

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:26 (twenty years ago) link

this thread makes me laugh for disgustingly twisted sentimental reasons.

the angry cowboy (dick), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:39 (twenty years ago) link

Old things bore me.

Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:40 (twenty years ago) link

eleven months pass...
holy fuck. an incredible film.

cºzen (Cozen), Friday, 24 December 2004 23:49 (nineteen years ago) link

religion is so seductive, even after this film.

cºzen (Cozen), Friday, 24 December 2004 23:49 (nineteen years ago) link

lighten up!

cºzen (Cozen), Friday, 24 December 2004 23:50 (nineteen years ago) link

nice going assholes!

cºzen (Cozen), Friday, 24 December 2004 23:55 (nineteen years ago) link

zemko, hurry up.

cºzen (Cozen), Friday, 24 December 2004 23:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i really wish i liked this film more. i think i've posted that sentiment to this thread several times.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 25 December 2004 06:29 (nineteen years ago) link

haha I was petty drunk there.

cºzen (Cozen), Saturday, 25 December 2004 11:35 (nineteen years ago) link

robert mitchum ~ the ballad of thunder road

g--ff (gcannon), Saturday, 25 December 2004 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

A great, great movie with a career performance from Robert Mitchum playing the epitome of the villianous archetype of the evil stepparent (= fairytale code for the evil parent?). As Martin pointed out Cape Fear is not quite as good, but maybe that is Gregory Peck's fault. Shelly Winters is also great in another archetypal role, the lovestarved widow who marries the bad stepfather (see David Copperfield or Shelly Winters herself as Charlotte Haze in Kubrick's version of Lolita
(Posting from remote holiday location, so spelling and fact-checking may be worse than usual)

Ken L (Ken L), Monday, 27 December 2004 00:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Icey and Walt (her husband? her son? it's the former, but unless my ears deceive me Walt has that odd and disturbing way of calling his wife "mother") are pretty sweet, as far as incidental window-dressing secondary characters go.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 27 December 2004 02:44 (nineteen years ago) link

You cannot poo poo the scare factor of this movie if you didn't see it when you were a little kid. this was the catalyst of many years worth of nightmares. still one of my three or four fav movies evah, also solidified Robert Mitchum as my future sexual ideal. creeeeepy :(

AIDS BENEDICT (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 28 December 2004 11:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Somewhere this thread needs to mention James Agee, who wrote the thing (or co-wrote, with Laughton). I've always thought this as much an Agee film as a Laughton film or a Mitchum film. Agee's love of Jean Vigo seems especially pertinent.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 01:39 (nineteen years ago) link

how so? that's an interesting idea...

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 02:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Which? The Vigo influence, or the Agee influence more generally? Vis a Vigo, the dreamier elements of the movie -- especially the children's flight downriver -- remind me most of the feel of L'Atalante (and of Cocteau, too, but there's something less airy in NOTH, more in line with Vigo's sensualism...not that Cocteau's not sensual, but...anyway). Of course, NOTH is also steeped in Southern Gothic, which is where I also think Agee's an influence. It's admittedly hard to know; Agee was pretty far gone by that point -- he died the year the movie came out -- so it's hard to say how much of movie is his. But I'm an Agee fan (just started a thread on him, prompted by this thread), so I'm naturally inclined to see his stamp.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 03:13 (nineteen years ago) link

well he was a film critic for quite a while..

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 03:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, that's what I'm basing my Vigo comments on. I think I actually learned about Vigo from Agee.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 03:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Good point about Agee. Never thought or heard about that Vigo connection before, but it makes sense.

I want to mention another scene from the movie that always sticks in my mind- the boy watching his father (played by Mission Impossible's Peter Graves) get arrested. I couldn't tell you offhand why it works so well, I guess I'll have to go back and watch it again.

Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 30 December 2004 06:16 (nineteen years ago) link

My father and his sister had very young bit parts in this movie. He was very wary of Laughton.

Michael White (Hereward), Thursday, 30 December 2004 06:32 (nineteen years ago) link

As he should have been.

Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 30 December 2004 06:48 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...

http://www.amazon.com/Night-Hunter-Walter-Schumann/dp/B000009NX6

just listened to this & it's pretty great. it's not strictly a soundtrack it's laughton narrating the story of the film over an orchestral background from Walter Schumann with some recordings from the film integrated into the tale.

Once upon a time there was a pretty fly....
he had a pretty wife, this pretty fly...
but one day she flew away, flew awaaaayyyy...

jed_, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 20:35 (sixteen years ago) link

five months pass...

Just saw it, fucking brilliant of course. There's a sprightliness, a mischief in the direction that imbues the film with its timeless, childlike spirit. It's shot completely unlike any other film I've seen. Things come and go with abruptness, without need for rumination. We are subjected to a child's experience.

Three best shots:

1) When we cut to the mother's fiery confession. Like some sort of terrifying Satanic ritual it springs off the screen and envelops us.

2) When the boat comes to rest ashore, little children asleep inside, the camera pans upwards, not to reveal the hunter, but instead to reveal the lovely, hyper-real starlight tableau created with such resonance by the film-makers.

3) John placing the apple on Mrs. Cooper's lap. It's an abiding image of fertility and protection, and done with superb subtlety.

Just got offed, Sunday, 9 December 2007 17:23 (sixteen years ago) link

I suspect it to be in black and white, and therefore shit.

(strokes goatee beard)

PhilK, Sunday, 9 December 2007 21:59 (sixteen years ago) link

dude i have seen nothing from you but shitty trolling

Just got offed, Sunday, 9 December 2007 22:06 (sixteen years ago) link

You're not reading between the lines.

PhilK, Sunday, 9 December 2007 22:19 (sixteen years ago) link

http://incolor.inebraska.com/sumaree/nebraskafilm/images/foo9.jpg

Noodle Vague, Sunday, 9 December 2007 22:23 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

http://artwells.com/gallery/spacelook.gif

Dan I., Monday, 19 July 2010 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link

Anyone else notice how the mom's confession in front of a congregation is staged very similarly to the Plainview's confession in There Will Be Blood? I remember noticing that when I saw it, and thinking it was intentional.

Cunga, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Just got to see it remastered at the theater. Pretty great. More technical flaws than I remembered, but killer (no pun intended) performances from many.

Nate Carson, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 10:41 (thirteen years ago) link

More technical flaws than I remembered

if there was ever a film where technical flaws were part of the charm...

RIP la petite mort (acoleuthic), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 10:42 (thirteen years ago) link

Anyone else notice how the mom's confession in front of a congregation is staged very similarly to the Plainview's confession in There Will Be Blood? I remember noticing that when I saw it, and thinking it was intentional.

― Cunga, Monday, July 19, 2010 8:43 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

not possible - night of the hunter came out first iirc

al-goreda (s1ocki), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 13:59 (thirteen years ago) link

you're thinking of the night of the hunter rmake starring ryan phillipe and tara reid, surely?

Everytime I hit 'submit post' the internet gets dumber (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 14:05 (thirteen years ago) link

and stifler from american pie

Everytime I hit 'submit post' the internet gets dumber (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 14:05 (thirteen years ago) link

it did seem like it was plague time for little ones

Milton Parker, Friday, 20 May 2011 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Acting. Pshaw. Acting is so 2010. Concern for "good acting" has blinded many a viewer to genius cinema. And the condemnations are never insightful, pivoting on some bogus, received notion of verisimilitude. Yawn.

rah!

nakhchivan, Friday, 20 May 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link

A couple of years after watching Night of the Hunter, I read this Brothers Grimm's tale, and got the same powerful punch in the stomach:

There was once a little girl who was obstinate and inquisitive, and when her parents told her to do anything, she did not obey them, so how could she fare well? One day she said to her parents, "I have heard so much of Frau Trude, I will go to her some day. People say that everything about her does look so strange, and that there are such odd things in her house, that I have become quite curious!" Her parents absolutely forbade her, and said, "Frau Trude is a bad woman, who does wicked things, and if thou goest to her; thou art no longer our child." But the maiden did not let herself be turned aside by her parent's prohibition, and still went to Frau Trude. And when she got to her, Frau Trude said, "Why art thou so pale?" "Ah," she replied, and her whole body trembled, "I have been so terrified at what I have seen." "What hast thou seen?" "I saw a black man on your steps." "That was a collier." "Then I saw a green man." "That was a huntsman." "After that I saw a blood-red man." "That was a butcher." "Ah, Frau Trude, I was terrified; I looked through the window and saw not you, but, as I verily believe, the devil himself with a head of fire." "Oho!" said she, "then thou hast seen the witch in her proper costume. I have been waiting for thee, and wanting thee a long time already; thou shalt give me some light." Then she changed the girl into a block of wood, and threw it into the fire. And when it was in full blaze she sat down close to it, and warmed herself by it, and said, "That shines bright for once in a way."

Marco Damiani, Sunday, 22 May 2011 07:12 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Laughton to Winters in the murder-scene outtakes: “Doesn’t matter about the lines; just smile, Shelley, and be seraphic.”

http://littleblogtoo.blogspot.com/2008/08/hunting-down-laughtons-haunting-night.html

already president FYI (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 June 2011 19:25 (twelve years ago) link

on TCM tomorrow night (6/15) at 8pm

Gukbe, Tuesday, 14 June 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

eight months pass...

so, Gish fires one shot at Mitchum and he goes squawking into the barn like a cartoon rooster? mysteriously unsatisfying climax, and someone on the Criterion commentary says as much.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 March 2012 12:17 (twelve years ago) link

That whole sequence is perfectly filmed.

Eric H., Thursday, 8 March 2012 12:31 (twelve years ago) link

just disappointingly conceived?

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 March 2012 12:43 (twelve years ago) link

Not really disappointing by my estimation.

Eric H., Thursday, 8 March 2012 12:46 (twelve years ago) link

I regard this as one of the two or three closest things to a perfect movie.

Eric H., Thursday, 8 March 2012 12:46 (twelve years ago) link

Chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiillllldreeennnn.....

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 March 2012 14:25 (twelve years ago) link

I MUST see this movie again! Soon.....

*tera, Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:26 (twelve years ago) link

I've never really done too much hard thinking about it, but the ending certainly seems deliberate in its effect--Gish's character is certainly as archetypal as Mitchum's in that respect...

ryan, Thursday, 8 March 2012 23:36 (twelve years ago) link

seven years pass...

Just found the book Night of the Hunter on a bargain table and read it; it's actually very good and it turns out the movie is a REALLY faithful adaptation.

Lily Dale, Monday, 18 November 2019 03:46 (four years ago) link

This is true and was trying to remember it when somebody said something similar on the thread about The Maltese Falcon.

Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 18 November 2019 03:57 (four years ago) link


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