i do regret that i only had one Val Lewton on my ballot ... and i am sure that the one i voted for will make it.
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
Both orig cat ppl movies remain HUGE gaps in my watching history. God I need to remedy that.
― Hierophantiasis (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
Wait, how are ghost stories not horror?
― emil.y, Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:56 PM (29 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
b/c this is also a ghost story (and it's not a horror film):
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjAxNzk3NDQ3OV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwODU3MjE0MQ@@._V1._SY317_CR5,0,214,317_.jpg
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
The Ghost and Mrs Muir
Topper
xxxp
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
A broken image link? Chilling...
― emil.y, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
I had two Val Lewtons on my ballot -- I'm pretty sure at least one will show up later. Also def need to see Onibaba now. I did no studying whatsoever before voting, just went with my cold dead heart.
― game of crones (La Lechera), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
then again, it may be a meaningful definition to myself only.
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
Ghost
it is not a horror movie.
― Troll 3 (Pillbox), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-glwTnsFe0QA/Tp0JzXfA0AI/AAAAAAAACLM/YrAginokzzw/s1600/ghost_chase.jpg
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
e.mily ... it was a .gif from patrick swayze's ghost.
But neither are they mutually exclusive (ghost story/horror film)
― MrDasher, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 16:59 (twelve years ago) link
Ghost is pretty horrifying
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
My memories of Onibaba are really smeary. I think I must have been falling asleep while watching it. Remember it being hella freaky
― Hierophantiasis (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
But no, point taken, I guess. Though maybe I'm more picky on the semantics... I wouldn't call the Ghost & Mrs Muir a 'ghost story', really. And I definitely wouldn't call Ghost a ghost story. More a romance that happens to feature a ghost...
― emil.y, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_NEW9asMBG6Q/S7FjuBbJaoI/AAAAAAAAAFw/0asmrF_O69U/s320/ghostdad.jpg
The prosecution rests, yer honor.
― Bob Bop Perano (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
Ghost will have a new life someday as a comedy.
― game of crones (La Lechera), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
Again, not a 'ghost story'. A comedy that features a ghost.
xpost
― emil.y, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
So saying "it's a ghost story, not horror" doesn't really explain why something isn't horror. It's not the presense of ghosts in Topper, Ghost, etc that makes them not horror.
― MrDasher, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
Ghost Dad was a comedy which involved a dad who was also a ghost.
― Troll 3 (Pillbox), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
patrick swayze's mullet was pretty frigthening.
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
I saw Onibaba years ago, don't remember much. Glad to see Curse of the Cat People; I voted for the first one, but thought they were both really good when I watched them back-to-back recently. Found the old lady's daughter (she only has one scene in the original) especially creepy.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
it's been argued in the nominations thread that ghost stories can belong to the fantasy/"dark fantasy" genre just easily as they can to horror. suppose this is true, but it's equally true of just about every kind of supernatural being (werewolves, vampires, demons, etc). most of my favorite horror films take place at the intersection of fantasy and horror, so i'm inclined to count any at least moderately scary ghost story as horror.
and comical or romantic ghost stories are still ghost stories, just not scary ones.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
i regret not voting for the original cat people.
the casper the friendly ghost movie was scary b/c it was so bad:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_h327jbSGoh0/R_6YUJP0lFI/AAAAAAAADRs/p0dKjjcFC6g/s400/casper_screen001.jpg
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
lotsa ghost stories that are horror (plz see every japanese film with a young girl with long black hair plz), lots that arent
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
haven't seen Curse in eons, liked it but preferred to include the original.
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:07 (twelve years ago) link
Love Curse, can't remember if I voted for it. (Agree that it's only sorta kinda horror, but w/e.)
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:07 (twelve years ago) link
whoa average curse of the cat people vote was 40 points
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:07 (twelve years ago) link
oh hey eric are you listing first place votes when they occur
I think I voted for Cat People but not Curse of the Cat People.
― MrDasher, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
i can see someone voting for curse b/c it is a very good movie, but i didn't really think it was scary or creepy. maybe Simone Simon was too much a "good" ghost.
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
I read or heard somewhere that Lewton really pushed back against the studio on Curse; the more they tried to get him to make it just like the first one but scarier, the more he veered towards fantasy.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
who was running RKO then?
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
"One thing I'll say about Angie Dickenson and Michael Caine ... they sure are SHARP dressers!"
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7095/7209113838_64ff843f5d_o.jpg
90. DRESSED TO KILLBrian De Palma, USA, 1980(202 points, 8 votes, 1 first-place vote)
dressed to kill is a better movie than 90% of this list― buzza, Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:09 PM (9 months ago)I don't buy there are 5 movies on this list better than dressed to kill.― third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:24 PM (9 months ago)WORST of the Best Picture Oscar Noms (Only The '80s Edition)Dressed to Kill was 't dus die al op de lijst stond. deze kan er ook best bij.― Ludo, Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:43 AM (2 years ago)
I don't buy there are 5 movies on this list better than dressed to kill.― third-generation stripper (Eric H.), Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:24 PM (9 months ago)WORST of the Best Picture Oscar Noms (Only The '80s Edition)
Dressed to Kill was 't dus die al op de lijst stond. deze kan er ook best bij.― Ludo, Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:43 AM (2 years ago)
― Count-Dracula-Down (Eric H.), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
what's unique about onibaba is that it captures the desolation and seedy desperation of life in ancient times. the entire thing takes place in a swamp, where a mother and daughter feed off the chaos and disorder caused by the samurai armies ravaging the countryside. there's this primitive peasantry angle that gets exploited, almost akin to andrei rublev? but with a vengeful demon mask.
voted for cat people, but not curse.
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
yay another one that i voted for! dressed to kill is still surprisingly effective.
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
angie dickinson is aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawesome in dressed to kill and i forgot to vote for it :(
― game of crones (La Lechera), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
what's unique about onibaba is that it captures the desolation and seedy desperation of life in ancient times.
well, so does monty python & the holy grail but that one certainly isn't a horror film ...
XD
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:20 (twelve years ago) link
dressed to kill, really? why not blow out and body double too? never thought of it as a horror film, more like hitchcockian suspense thriller. the final scene does use some horror movie trappings but that doesn't make it a horror movie.
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
blow out was more of a political thriller ... though Lithgow was pretty creepy, as was the final scene w/ Travolta listening to Nancy Allen's final screams on a walkman.
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
watched Dressed to Kill earlier this year actually (after seeing it on TV as a kid lol) - really fun, Dickinson is awesome, Caine is good, the elevator attack is nightmarish.
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah it's a joyride. Almost as much a send-up of Hitchcock as an homage.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, May 16, 2012 1:07 PM (16 minutes ago)
yeah, high passion score there
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
vacillated endlessly on dressed to kill. i really wanted to vote for more than one de palma film, but it wound up being one of my last two cuts. like the silence of the lambs and se7en, i just feel that it's more a dark, erotic mystery thriller than a horror film.
i'm not sure why i exclude DTK when i made room for the likes of repulsion and psycho though. perhaps because those films really pushed at the boundaries of what a "scary movie" could do in their day, and focus so intently on ghoulishness and creepy atmosphere. a line so fine it vanishes on close examination, but i'm nevertheless happy with my decision.
blow out is a straight political thriller, without even DTK's black-gloved, stalk-and-slash giallo trappings, and body double is a romantic, melodramatic thriller that owes a huge debt to vertigo. it's only got one real horror-style moment (but what a moment it is).
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
just perused my ballot, but it looks like i left off onibaba ... i thought that i had voted for it, but apparently not.
― Boris Kutyurkokhov (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
huh, dressed to kill? really? i am thinking that i am operating on a very different definition of horror here than lots of other people
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
My fave things in DtK are the museum sequence, the wacky but relevant STD thing, and maybe Keith Gordon. You can p much have the rest of it.
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
whoa average curse of the cat people vote was 40 points― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, May 16, 2012 1:07 PM (16 minutes ago)
yeah, high passion score there― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:27 PM (6 minutes ago)
Don't have the numbers in front of me atm, so I'm not sure if COTCP wins the Passiondex for the whole top 100 or not. I will say that it's the only movie in the whole list that got in with less than six votes.
― Count-Dracula-Down (Eric H.), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
As a 13-year-old boy I had teh major hots for Nancy Allen.
That STD thing is one of cinema's great punchlines.
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
Morbius--not sure about RKO. The same people who mucked around with Ambersons, probably.
Fantastic image choice for Dressed to Kill.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link