Oh yeah, for sure. I mean, nor is the 'female protagonist' thing, without a list of criteria... Though asking for favourites does make it a slightly different exercise.
― emil.y, Friday, 4 May 2012 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
Where are the Altman stans?
The only movie I mentioned was an Altman! Even though most of his films featured ensembles where few individuals really stood out above the pack, he generally made good use of female protagonists. He was a very female-friendly director (in many senses).
― You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
No one likes Terms of Endearment?
― Träumerei, Friday, 4 May 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
prefer Steel Magnolias
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
love terms of endearment
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
I really like Nicole Holofcener's movies, Lovely & Amazing and Friends With Money. Both are largely populated by female protagonists and both pass the Bechdel test (according to bechdeltest.com).
― brontosaur, Friday, 4 May 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
Bring it On!
― brontosaur, Friday, 4 May 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
dug friends with money, haven't seen lovely & amazing. have meant to forever, just never got around to it.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
Walking and Talking is my favorite of hers
― former personal denim advisor to the mayor, (La Lechera), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
walking and talking and please give are the best holofceners imo; walking and talking is my fave, too.
― horseshoe, Friday, 4 May 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
Anyway, the Bechdel test is an interesting exercise to look at the state of women in movies in general, but isn't very useful in assessing individual movies, IMO.
― MrDasher, Friday, 4 May 2012 16:57 (3 hours ago) Permalink
yeah, it's idiotic as some kind of litmus test for watching/appreciating individual films but thinking about it gives you a sense of hollywood's generally sexist orientation.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 4 May 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago) link
Nobody's mentioned "3 Women"
I mentioned it yesterday morning
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 May 2012 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
disagree w/r/t hollywood -- hollywood's sexism is evidenced by gender disparity in high-power/high-pay jobs. the actual product is pretty much audience-driven.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 4 May 2012 20:09 (twelve years ago) link
thanks for making me Google the "Bechdel test"
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 May 2012 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
― Philip Nunez, Friday, May 4, 2012 3:09 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
which doesn't mean it's immune from dysfunctional attitudes on gender!
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 4 May 2012 20:17 (twelve years ago) link
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)
And morbs mentioned that you mentioned it last night!
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 4 May 2012 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
i'm gonna mention it again just in case: 3 women.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 4 May 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
"which doesn't mean it's immune from dysfunctional attitudes on gender!"it ... sort of is! having no principles w/r/t making money means that the only barrier is the audience's willingness to pay for it.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 4 May 2012 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
i mean, mel gibson got his foreign-language torture movies made because enough people wanted to see it, jesus!
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 4 May 2012 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
― Philip Nunez, Friday, May 4, 2012 3:26 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
but... i don't follow.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 4 May 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link
What, is this a poll or a listing?
1. Aliens 2. Alien3. Heathers
― Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Friday, 4 May 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
"but... i don't follow."what i mean is that the sexism in hollywood that puts a glass ceiling on, say, a woman wanting to become a director or producer wouldn't stop a movie with two or more female characters talking about stuff getting made, provided it could make a lot of money.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 4 May 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
You're assuming that hollywood has a crystal ball that shows it what people want - the evidence here is shaky to say the least.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 4 May 2012 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
It's not so much a crystal ball as simply thinking "people like Julia Roberts/Cameron Diaz/Kate Hudson/Anne Hathaway etc., so let's develop stuff for them."
― Leslie Mann: Boner Machine (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 4 May 2012 23:12 (twelve years ago) link
the fact that hollywood doesn't have a crystal ball makes them that much more likely to embrace a non-sexist formula movie if one were shown to be highly profitable. like if elfquest starring naomi klein as capt. nologo made $200million, there'd be nothing but non-sexist, socially progressive elf movies forever.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 4 May 2012 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
dare to dream
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 May 2012 23:20 (twelve years ago) link
so where are all the Bridesmaids knockoffs btw
aren't there like 2 or 3 already in the pipeline?
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 4 May 2012 23:24 (twelve years ago) link
panic room
― omar little, Friday, 4 May 2012 23:27 (twelve years ago) link
is carnival of souls too old to make the cutoff?
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 4 May 2012 23:35 (twelve years ago) link
no ones mentioned the travelling pants movies fyi
― johnny crunch, Friday, 4 May 2012 23:38 (twelve years ago) link
havent seen them but the protagonists are female pants i hear
Bridesmaids was retrograde and shallow too so no worries
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 May 2012 23:57 (twelve years ago) link
But it had an Irish leading male!
― Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Saturday, 5 May 2012 00:14 (twelve years ago) link
Not so much, seemingly: http://jezebel.com/5907744/the-truth-about-women-and-hollywood-these-actresses-theyre-fucked-good-luck-to-kate-and-reese
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Saturday, 5 May 2012 00:16 (twelve years ago) link