oh man a couple with lydia and beetlejuice costumes would be off the charts. actually winona+dress + johnny depp from edward scissorhands would be nifty too.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 3 May 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
Nah, Edward himself is the protagonist, she's the leading lady.
Beetlejuice is an ensemble piece, mostly led by Winona and Michael Keaton, surely?
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― emil.y, Thursday, 3 May 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
i thought she was rather good in black swan, she's still got it in her, just please stop making her play stupid girlfriend roles!
― former personal denim advisor to the mayor, (La Lechera), Thursday, May 3, 2012 4:08 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah her role in that vince vaughan/king of queens comedy was likewise a kind of harsh meta-assessment of winona's waning fortunes.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 3 May 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
really? doesn't she probably has as much screen time??
It's not about screen-time, though - the mother (forgotten her name) has as much screen-time, too. It's about how the story is presented, who the story belongs to, how the characterisation works...
― emil.y, Thursday, 3 May 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago) link
(what the cinema ticket in your hand reads)
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 3 May 2012 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
― emil.y, Thursday, May 3, 2012 4:14 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
right, i know. in my memory winona's goals are of equal importance, but i haven't seen it in years, so you're probably right.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 3 May 2012 21:45 (twelve years ago) link
The Virgin Suicides? Lux is basically the protagonist, but it's also all five sisters as remembered by the teenage boys who worshipped them. So I'm not sure if it counts.
― clemenza, Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:07 (twelve years ago) link
There were a couple I dithered on because of uncertainty about how "American" they were. E.g., A Soldier's Daughter Never Cries or Maria Full of Grace.
― sockless in moccasins (jaymc), Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:20 (twelve years ago) link
or emma, i guess.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 4 May 2012 00:04 (twelve years ago) link
i think monster is pretty good
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 4 May 2012 00:07 (twelve years ago) link
― sockless in moccasins (jaymc), Thursday, May 3, 2012 7:20 PM (47 minutes ago) Bookmark
someone mentioned eXistenZ, which i think of as totally canadian
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 4 May 2012 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
― clemenza, Thursday, May 3, 2012 6:07 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i'm not sure the virgin suicides is even really "about" the sisters at all, which i guess is kind of the point
― 1staethyr, Friday, 4 May 2012 01:29 (twelve years ago) link
well, it's about perceiving them, but also about their sense of existing in the perception of others, so
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 01:49 (twelve years ago) link
it's about them as objects and not characters. they may be at the center of the story but that center is a void. idk
― 1staethyr, Friday, 4 May 2012 01:52 (twelve years ago) link
may be overstating things tho, it's been a long time since i've seen it
I think you're both right...which is why I wasn't sure if it belonged or not.
― clemenza, Friday, 4 May 2012 03:15 (twelve years ago) link
Ones I liked (to varying degrees) that haven't been mentioned...
Young AdultCitizen RuthHaywireStrangers With CandyWaitressand, um, Dreamgirls?
― Vini Reilly Invasion (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 4 May 2012 03:31 (twelve years ago) link
Has anyone said Juno yet? Or Whip It?
― Leslie Mann: Boner Machine (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 4 May 2012 03:53 (twelve years ago) link
Getting laid and abandoned by Josh Hartnett on the 50-yd line? Doesn't that disqualify Virgin Suicides by these Bechdel Criteria I seem to have missed?
(I assume it's the graphic novelist Bechdel, whose big book I actually read)
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:04 (twelve years ago) link
Sofia Coppola's protagonist women are interesting and perhaps debatable cases, true, but i would still call them protagonists in Lost in Translation and Marie Antoinette. and i really like those films.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:21 (twelve years ago) link
actually, now that i really think about it, not debatable, def protagonist
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:22 (twelve years ago) link
Hanna also rad
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:23 (twelve years ago) link
and btw Ginger Snaps is Canadian! ^ patriotic duty done for the day
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:24 (twelve years ago) link
Morbius: the Bechdel Test
― emil.y, Friday, 4 May 2012 04:25 (twelve years ago) link
oops, i want to expand the criteria to include canada then, cuz ginger snaps is great
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:28 (twelve years ago) link
so's hanna, can't believe i forgot that one
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:29 (twelve years ago) link
A Question of Silence, for example, tackles the intense emotional reactions of three women
Nobody's mentioned "3 Women" yet! Where are the Altman stans?
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:32 (twelve years ago) link
it has been
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:35 (twelve years ago) link
I mentioned both.
― sockless in moccasins (jaymc), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:35 (twelve years ago) link
haha I totally read Morbius: the Bechdel Test as the title of an imagined film.
― obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:38 (twelve years ago) link
xxxxxpost Ah, so it has. I knew it was unlikely to have been missed (except by me obv.)
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:38 (twelve years ago) link
the end result of this thread is gonna be another poll, amirite?!?
― Nu Metal is the best music there is, the rest is pussy shit. (Eisbaer), Friday, 4 May 2012 04:53 (twelve years ago) link
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, May 3, 2012 11:32 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that's one of his worst movies, though (IMO).
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 4 May 2012 05:12 (twelve years ago) link
Blue Car is really good.
― caro's johnson (Eazy), Friday, 4 May 2012 06:14 (twelve years ago) link
It's interesting to note that many of these movies fail to pass the Bechdel test... I think one reason I had a hard time coming up with good examples was because I was unconsciously excluding movies that don't pass.
― Tuomas, Friday, 4 May 2012 06:46 (twelve years ago) link
The thread premise is 'with female protagonists' tho, not 'which pass the Bechdel test'.
Call yr contacts at Marvel. I'll have my treatment ready by monday.
― bit.ly sno cone maker (Jon Lewis), Friday, 4 May 2012 15:45 (twelve years ago) link
the Runaways! def passes the Bechdel test
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
I'd like the Runaways a whole lot more if it had nothing to do with the Runaways and was just a throwaway movie about a fictional girlband
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:19 (twelve years ago) link
Anyway, the Bechdel test is an interesting exercise to look at the state of women in movies in general, but isn't very useful in assessing individual movies, IMO.
― MrDasher, Friday, 4 May 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i agree with that.
― horseshoe, Friday, 4 May 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
otm
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
Oh yeah, for sure. I mean, nor is the 'female protagonist' thing, without a list of criteria... Though asking for favourites does make it a slightly different exercise.
― emil.y, Friday, 4 May 2012 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
Where are the Altman stans?
The only movie I mentioned was an Altman! Even though most of his films featured ensembles where few individuals really stood out above the pack, he generally made good use of female protagonists. He was a very female-friendly director (in many senses).
― You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
No one likes Terms of Endearment?
― Träumerei, Friday, 4 May 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
prefer Steel Magnolias
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
love terms of endearment
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
I really like Nicole Holofcener's movies, Lovely & Amazing and Friends With Money. Both are largely populated by female protagonists and both pass the Bechdel test (according to bechdeltest.com).
― brontosaur, Friday, 4 May 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link
Bring it On!
― brontosaur, Friday, 4 May 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
dug friends with money, haven't seen lovely & amazing. have meant to forever, just never got around to it.
― 10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link