Homer's a pretty glaring weak spot for me, I read it in English a loooong time ago & did like the first 200 lines in Gk in lol college but I'm less familiar w/the important stuff in it than I oughta be
― same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 12 April 2012 02:02 (twelve years ago) link
"I'm Nobody! Who are you?Are you – Nobody – too?Then there's a pair of us!Don't tell! they'd advertise – you know!
How dreary – to be – Somebody!How public – like a Frog – To tell one's name – the livelong June – To an admiring Bog!"
-Emily Dickinson's
He kind of looks like George Carlin in that short clip, when he's mugging.
― nickn, Thursday, 12 April 2012 07:28 (twelve years ago) link
there's no such thing as solitary in hopitals, it's against the law. in California a doctor has to renew the order for seclusion every two hours. this is a good law, btw, it means I can't keep you locked in a room because it's inconvenient for my nursing staff to deal with you. but it's why a criminally insane person belongs in a prison, where the rules are different.
Do you have anything similar to Broadmoor in the US? It's a hospital run with the same kind of security as a prison? The patients aren't in solitary confinement but there are more restrictions and lots of the staff are former prison officers?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadmoor_Hospital
― Une semaine de Bunty (ShariVari), Thursday, 12 April 2012 07:34 (twelve years ago) link
Arkham Asylum. Tho' the security is pretty lax iirc
― pandemic, Thursday, 12 April 2012 08:46 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I0v2bVX8j4
― lebron traveled (am0n), Sunday, 15 April 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
finally getting around to reading Helter Skelter
― heavy is the head that eats the crayons (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:42 (twelve years ago) link
I read that when I was like 13 years old and it scared the living bejeebus out of me. I slept with the lights on for a week.
― i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
manson family vs. danson family
http://www.bittenandbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Ted-Danson-and-Mary-Steenburgen-with-their-blended-family.jpg
― THE KITTEN TYPE (contenderizer), Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
vs. the Hanson family.
http://www.hansonplace.blogger.com.br/00248.jpg
― nickn, Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
Phil, I also read that way too young
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1Fxoub89XFM/SSOCnRQJfHI/AAAAAAAAAEc/SpuBHquVOw4/s320/sanders.jpg
― am0n, Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I think I read H/S when I was 12 or 13
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 26 April 2012 23:11 (twelve years ago) link
SACRAMENTO — Gov. Jerry Brown has about a month to decide whether to release a former follower of notorious killer Charles Manson from prison.
Bruce Davis, 70, has been behind bars since 1970, convicted with Manson of the murder of a musician and a stuntman. He was not involved in the Manson family's infamous 1969 slayings of Sharon Tate and four others in a Benedict Canyon home.
Davis is incarcerated at the California Men's Colony in San Luis Obispo, where he has a clean record and is active in prison ministries, his lawyer told the parole officials. A prisons panel first granted him parole in 2010, citing his record and his completion of rehabilitation programs.
Then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger reversed the decision. Davis won a legal challenge to the reversal but lost last year on appeal.
Los Angeles County Dist. Atty. Jackie Lacey has urged Brown not to release Davis. In a three-page letter to the governor Jan. 24, she described Davis as Manson's "right-hand man" and said he poses an "unreasonable risk of danger to society."
― buzza, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 05:57 (eleven years ago) link
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1410809.1374971616!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/image-1-1410809.jpg
New Manson book out. Far more information on his early pre-Manson Family life. From the NY Times review:
On the evidence of “Manson,” a lot of the mystical aura surrounding Mr. Manson was less real than imagined by a terrified populace and titillated press corps. But Mr. Guinn doesn’t buy any cultist mumbo-jumbo. The cover of “Manson” pointedly features a photo of its subject not as Crazy Charlie, as he sometimes called himself, but as a smiling, suit-wearing, precocious little crook in his pimply years.Mr. Guinn’s main thesis is that Charlie Manson was a lifelong social predator: “There was nothing mystical or heroic about Charlie — he was an opportunistic sociopath.” And in 1967, when he walked out of prison at 32 and began trolling for acolytes in Haight-Ashbury in San Francisco, the culture of national upheaval “made it possible for him to bloom in full, malignant flower.”Among the sources for Mr. Guinn’s account are Mr. Manson’s sister and his first cousin, whose anonymity he takes care to preserve. He has even found a schoolmate to describe the abusive teacher who treated Charlie harshly in the first grade. By that point, he had already seen his willful teenage mother sent to prison for her role in a robbery (the assault weapon: a ketchup bottle); she had singled out the victim, she said, because he “had too much money for one man.” Were the seeds of the Manson Family’s savage Tate-LaBianca murders sown this early? Mr. Guinn thinks so. His punchy style renders the mother’s first crime as “an impetuous decision that would affect — and cost — lives over the next three-quarters of a century.”His mother’s first conviction steered her young son toward a string of reform schools and prisons, places that shaped his education. He listened to pimps explain how to control women. He read the brand-new teachings of Scientology. And, in the kind of touch that keeps “Manson” steadily surprising, Mr. Guinn points straight to a link between Dale Carnegie’s “How to Win Friends and Influence People” to Mr. Manson’s methods of persuasion. Among one of Mr. Carnegie’s lesser-known statements: “Everything you or I do springs from two motives: the sex urge and the desire to be great.” Mr. Manson clearly took that and “Begin in a friendly way” to heart.
Mr. Guinn’s main thesis is that Charlie Manson was a lifelong social predator: “There was nothing mystical or heroic about Charlie — he was an opportunistic sociopath.” And in 1967, when he walked out of prison at 32 and began trolling for acolytes in Haight-Ashbury in San Francisco, the culture of national upheaval “made it possible for him to bloom in full, malignant flower.”
Among the sources for Mr. Guinn’s account are Mr. Manson’s sister and his first cousin, whose anonymity he takes care to preserve. He has even found a schoolmate to describe the abusive teacher who treated Charlie harshly in the first grade. By that point, he had already seen his willful teenage mother sent to prison for her role in a robbery (the assault weapon: a ketchup bottle); she had singled out the victim, she said, because he “had too much money for one man.” Were the seeds of the Manson Family’s savage Tate-LaBianca murders sown this early? Mr. Guinn thinks so. His punchy style renders the mother’s first crime as “an impetuous decision that would affect — and cost — lives over the next three-quarters of a century.”
His mother’s first conviction steered her young son toward a string of reform schools and prisons, places that shaped his education. He listened to pimps explain how to control women. He read the brand-new teachings of Scientology. And, in the kind of touch that keeps “Manson” steadily surprising, Mr. Guinn points straight to a link between Dale Carnegie’s “How to Win Friends and Influence People” to Mr. Manson’s methods of persuasion. Among one of Mr. Carnegie’s lesser-known statements: “Everything you or I do springs from two motives: the sex urge and the desire to be great.” Mr. Manson clearly took that and “Begin in a friendly way” to heart.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 06:41 (ten years ago) link
manson is an abusive sociopath, which alone is not illegal, but, yeah, if you prove that you can manifest that pathology in a way that ends with innocent people being horribly slaughtered then you should be isolated from society forever. he gets 3 hots and a cot and slavering fanpeople for the rest of his days, plus interviews. if a free man he would probably be waving a cardboard sign under a bridge at this point. as mentioned already, he's managed to make his last name more notorious and ruined than anyone besides genocidal dictators. he def knows how to charm. i hate prisons but would not feel a twinge if he died there.
― slam dunk, Wednesday, 14 August 2013 08:17 (ten years ago) link
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/is-charles-manson-getting-married-20131120
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 21 November 2013 20:19 (ten years ago) link
Rolling Stone again, long piece on Manson today:
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/charles-manson-today-the-final-confessions-of-a-psychopath-20131121
Didn't realize until I came across it in a store last week that Ed Sanders put out a book on Sharon Tate last year.
― clemenza, Sunday, 24 July 2016 14:25 (seven years ago) link
the best thing that could happen to that narcissist is if everybody stopped paying attention to him
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 24 July 2016 18:39 (seven years ago) link
Him and Trump, of course. Re the ending of 2013 piece reposted on Stone, saw recently that the marriage license has expired.
― dow, Sunday, 24 July 2016 19:04 (seven years ago) link
something about the reporter in that rs piece turned me off
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 24 July 2016 20:00 (seven years ago) link
As that Rolling Stone article proves, Charlie's not even that interesting to read about. The continuing fascination with him is based on his status as an icon of evil, based on the legend built up by his prosecutor during the trial, not because he says or does stuff worth paying attention to. He touches the reporter on the nose unexpectedly and plays up his rep as a dangerous killer. He eagerly eats a candy bar. He talks wistfully about having sex with many young women almost half a century ago. In other words, he's a lot like any other long time inmate.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Sunday, 24 July 2016 20:04 (seven years ago) link
yeah exactly
he's not *actually* interesting at all
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 24 July 2016 20:08 (seven years ago) link
Still haven't read the RS piece, but as Jeff Guinn frames him in the book pictured above, I think Manson can be very interesting to read about. Trump: when I read the RS subheading, "He's nearly 80 and his Family is smaller, but darkness still surrounds America's most notorious criminal," the darkness part made me think of Trump's concession speech! (There seems to be no end to Trump's family, though.)
I was downtown today with no book and time to kill, so I bought Ed Sanders' Sharon Tate book.
― clemenza, Sunday, 24 July 2016 23:56 (seven years ago) link
weeeell given that i've read most of what there is to read on manson you could say i find him interesting.
it just bugs me that that that article affords him far too much thrall when so much of him is base, mundane & manipulative.
i liked that guinn approached him in a mundane, ordinary light. he's like a violent resentful PT Barnum who just wants to get over on any and every weak person who crosses paths with him.
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 July 2016 00:17 (seven years ago) link
Low-grade con man, no argument. I guess what I find so interesting myself--and I think it's there in Guinn's book, at least implicitly--is that his particular con was so perfectly suited to the time and the place that he accidentally found himself thrust into when he was released from prison roundabout 1964.
― clemenza, Monday, 25 July 2016 00:20 (seven years ago) link
(Which doesn't explain why people like "Star" gravitate towards him today, although there's a different dynamic there--no less perverse--involving celebrity and such.)
― clemenza, Monday, 25 July 2016 00:22 (seven years ago) link
yeah he has popularity working for him now, which he for sure didnt have back then. which i guess is where the interest lies. reeling in wilson & melcher, as well as the girls & tex et al through sheer manipulation
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 July 2016 00:38 (seven years ago) link
Trump's concession speech!
Freudian slip, wishful thinking, something like that.
― clemenza, Monday, 25 July 2016 02:21 (seven years ago) link
thread title takes on a whole new meaning in the kanye/kim era
― k3vin k., Monday, 25 July 2016 03:02 (seven years ago) link
...or does it?
*steeples fingers, raises one eyebrow*
― DORNALDO TROOMPS for PRESIDETN (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 25 July 2016 09:33 (seven years ago) link
Is anyone watching the NBC series Aquarius, with David Duchovny, which is about an LAPD detective investigating Manson (and other things) in the months before the murders? It's pretty watchable, though it does try to cover too many bases, I think.
― nickn, Monday, 25 July 2016 17:11 (seven years ago) link
lol I assumed this was who it was about before I saw the thread date
have no idea who this other "West" family is
― Οὖτις, Monday, 25 July 2016 17:17 (seven years ago) link
it's pretty grim reading, to say the least
― ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Monday, 25 July 2016 17:18 (seven years ago) link
yr a dad Shakey. do not read about the other West family.
― The bald Phil Collins impersonator cash grab (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 25 July 2016 18:22 (seven years ago) link
Sound advice.
― how's life, Monday, 25 July 2016 18:26 (seven years ago) link
The West family were more Texas Chainsaw Massacre than Manson.
― 24 Hour Sex Ban Man (Tom D.), Monday, 25 July 2016 19:00 (seven years ago) link
I'm capable of sort of understanding how something like the Manson Family happens - drugs, impressionability, cult mindset, etc.. The West family, I just can't wrap my head around.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 25 July 2016 19:04 (seven years ago) link
I'm reading this Sharon Tate biography, and something that had never occurred to me until tonight: how close I was geographically and on a timeline to the murders. We took a family trip to Disneyland in July of '69 (I was seven). I know we saw a baseball game at Anaheim Stadium, and I'm pretty sure Reggie Jackson (visiting) hit a home run. I checked the game logs, and that would mean the game was either July 19 or 20. The murders were August 9.
http://la.curbed.com/maps/mapping-13-key-locations-in-the-1969-manson-family-murders
Spahn Ranch is about 60 miles from the Disneyland area. I don't know how many days before and after the game we were there, but about an hour away they were planning and preparing for some awful stuff. (I guess I was just too young to hear anything about what happened when we got back to Toronto...I don't recollect knowing anything about the story until I started high school a few years later.)
― clemenza, Monday, 1 August 2016 06:22 (seven years ago) link
that's gotta be an eerie feeling...
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 August 2016 17:03 (seven years ago) link
Big news!
BREAKING: Charles Manson follower Leslie Van Houten granted parole by California board.— The Associated Press (@AP) September 6, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:00 (six years ago) link
Had missed she was granted it last year and Jerry Brown reversed it. Wonder if it'll happen again?
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:01 (six years ago) link
damn
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:02 (six years ago) link
I doubt Jerry's changed his mind
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:08 (six years ago) link
Brown's reversed Bruce Davis's parole four times.
― jmm, Thursday, 7 September 2017 00:24 (six years ago) link
just finished The Life and Times of Charles Mansondef feels pretty definitivethe whole story is just so unrealthe most telling detail for me was the one thing he always returned to, after having taken a course in prison, was How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 September 2017 02:17 (six years ago) link
^ ding
yeah that made so many aspects of his behaviour click together
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 7 September 2017 03:58 (six years ago) link
About 30 pages into Jeffrey Melnick's Creepy Crawling: Charles Manson and the Many Lives of America's Most Infamous Family. Same idea as Dead Elvis and Unshackled: The Dustbin of Donald Trump: Manson is everywhere.
― clemenza, Monday, 12 November 2018 04:10 (five years ago) link
https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-5wx3mh9/images/stencil/1280x1280/products/237/1931/denied_stamp_180604__66005.1528149761.gif?c=2https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/03/us/leslie-van-houten-manson-family-parole/index.html
― velko, Tuesday, 4 June 2019 06:16 (five years ago) link
"I'm gonna run for president one day and I'll be damned if I give them any ammo against me!"
― nickn, Tuesday, 4 June 2019 06:43 (five years ago) link
Are we including the Kardashians?
― adam the (abanana), Thursday, 6 June 2019 05:55 (five years ago) link