I always connected that relationship to the one in raise the red lantern in my head, dunno why that made the medicine go down easier, but it did
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
its semi-consensual in the books and very gross, ib elieve weve gone over this before
― max, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
Mordy, maybe I made that up/transplanted it from another book??? I'm not finding references to it online now and I haven't read Bk 1 in a long time, but I thought that at some point Drogo had to um well that it had to be in public under the stars, in the manner of the horses that are the Dothraki lifesblood. It DID happen, didn't it??
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Thursday, June 9, 2011 4:47 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
in the books, during the scene where danaerys introduces drogo to non-doggystyle sex, she drags him out into the middle of the camp. its a power display on the part of danaerys, and not rape (unless were talking a complicated definition of rape)
― ☂ (max), Thursday, June 9, 2011 5:17 PM (10 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the wedding night sex, in the books, isnt rape either--he like... strokes her? all over? and then (barf) "slips a finger inside her" or something, and she is hrm "very wet" or something
― ☂ (max), Thursday, June 9, 2011 5:18 PM (10 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― max, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
lol usage of hrm
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
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― ☂ (max), Thursday, June 9, 2011 5:26 PM (10 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― max, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
yes, she has entirely consensual sex with the person she's just been sold to
ah, xposts
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:38 (twelve years ago) link
tbh i think the guy forks quotes is totally wrong
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
That was one change where the show really bothered me. Like, if I think about that script decision too long I start to feel like, fuck this show.
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link
thomp, whatcha mean?
― boy, was that Dan Fielding hungry for some cake! (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
wow real hott stuff i wish there was some sort of blog post to teach me how to deal w/the complex emotions this prose evokes
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:40 (twelve years ago) link
that was the other half of my "wait, what"
okay, i don't think he's totally wrong so much as i think he has a 'difficult' polyamorous relationship and has tried cosplay
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
remember when u read that passage that danaerys is 14 in the books
― max, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
honestly, the rape scene in season 1 was a real bad move and almost classically hbo in sense that the network seems determined to sell the most controversial product ever. that daenery's chapter above i thought was actually sort of sweet - albeit weirdly graphic - and made me understand how tumultuous his *SPOILERS* death ultimately was
whereas the show depicted the whole relationship like some sort of dragon/horse stockholm syndrome
― kelpolaris, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
― thomp, Tuesday, April 10, 2012 12:39 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
shes a woman. Check your kyriarchal privilege at the door, ciscracker scum
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:43 (twelve years ago) link
lol i actually considered checking but then went 'nah ...'
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link
cosplay sexual POVs dnw
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
yeah kelpolaris otm, I really did not like the choices they made wtih Danaerys in the show either, especially in that scene. It was a weird choice to make, and def the wrong one.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
plus, while i don't think martin's really plays in these sort of things, the whole idea of the two men in daenery's life (visery's was his name? "the beggar king" + khal drogo) interfacing with in two entirely different ways kinda gave suggestion that all she ever needed was not to be slapped, twisted, and groped but caressed and gently touched (i'm going "ew" as i write this in a public computer lab) and she was content with her life (as seen by her immediate embrace of the horse-clan-dude's lifestyle after that chapter).
like, she's displayed as a very simple character with admittedly not a lot of thought going on with her and that we are able to infer so much of her psychological state of being (sorry) and where she comes from/who she ultimately is/how she was raised just from these scenes i thought largely defined her. in the show she's raped and then suddenly loves drogo, and the result is that any sort of identification i had with her character is lost b/c i have no idea who the fuck could possibly just reverse mentalities like that w/ so little incentive
― kelpolaris, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
she just needed to be 'gently caressed', eh
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
in other words: she's sort of like an abused dog. she can't talk and if she couldn't doesn't really have an awful lot to say. drogo is her new owner and treats her far differently and this ultimately wins her over.
i haven't read the sequels yet but hoping that maybe these whole ideas come into play somehow, as they haven't thus far and daenery's is given the weird characteristic of being "the sympathetic queen" which - maybe isn't entirely *unlike* herself, but that she alloted visery's to abuse her for so long and in such a way that maybe she grew somewhat immune to it and the witness of it. i'm not making a lot of sense, but what i'm saying is that i can connect the dots in the book whereas hbo severed what i thought a pretty essential character trademark in the name of making people gasp on their couches
― kelpolaris, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
they really did away with quite a bit of her early character development, where we see her choosing to shrug off the old Danaerys, like the freedom she experiences horseriding informs her newfound confidence in her relationship with Drogo
I really enjoy her character in the books, and i agree she's definitely been done a disservice in the writing of the tv series, at least early on. She seems to inhabit the strength now, but yeah where it comes from doesn't make sense without a lot of those early moments that they excised or changed.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
VG very much otm, I was trying to explain to my wife the other night that the show isn't really doing her storyline justice so far.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
the actress is p bad and blank too
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:07 (twelve years ago) link
are there viewer ratings for season 2 published? kinda curious if people are still watching this considering sean bean is forever absent
― kelpolaris, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:07 (twelve years ago) link
tbh it sounds like it is doing a pretty good job of underlining and reinforcing what was already implausible and unpleasant about it
― thomp, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
kel: people are still watching, and it retained pretty much all its viewers from the s2 premiere.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:11 (twelve years ago) link
I don't mind the actress, she seems to have a lot of the characteristics of Dany, and she's handled the adversity storylines really well I think.
it's just a downer when there's a really good female character that gets the shaft because, idk, someone decided she's too pretty to be strong? who knows. I'm not really sure why the choice was made, but it's annoying.
That being said, I enjoy the show for the most part. And as long as they don't fuck with Arya's storyline we'll be cool.
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
I think the biggest problem is that the majority of Dany's growth occurs in interior monologue, which is difficult to express in film.
― God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
They should make it like Herman's Head
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
idk she's the leader of her own crew now and has dragons but the actress just doesn't embody any gravitas particularly, occasionally she'll yell BLOOD OF MY BLOOD or w/e but it's not that convincing, maybe this is supposed to be some transitional growin into her role period, or maybe the wiring is bad or w/e but that thread seems a lil vague atm
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
the wut do dragons eat line was funny
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
occasionally she'll yell BLOOD OF MY BLOOD or w/e
lol
also OUR ENEMIES WILL DIE SCREAMING
she's big on that one
― dmr, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
I'm p pumped for when the dragons get bigger
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
I buy her as the character in the state she has currently reached, it's just that as pointed out above the show did not give us the connective tissue between 'timorously abused' and 'in the flush of power'.
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
exactly
how awesome are the baby dragons thoughhave we talked about that
because they are
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
The dragons are great, and the compositing of them into the live action shots is good. Same can't be said about the wolves who are nowhere near as well integrated.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
S2 premiere higher than S1, second week retained virtually all viewers.
It has been renewed for a third season, though it took a week longer than HBO normally does (which is generally as soon as the ratings come in for the premiere episode).
Speculation that there were negotiations to try to lock down a fourth season, as Benioff/Weiss have made it clear they want to stretch Book 3 across two seasons.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't think the wolf in the Jamie scene in ep 1 was very good, but the shot with the girl in ep 2 was pretty great imo.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
why cant they just make all the episodes now, the whole seasons thing is tiring
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link
I agree
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
I wonder if had ten seasons in front of me now how long it would take me to watch them
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:43 (twelve years ago) link
I would call in sick and watch them all in one day
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
day = whenever I started to whenever I finishedalso I would purchase one (1) colostomy bag and a lot of snacks
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
I watched the first season in one sitting
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
You could p much burn through 10 seasons in the hospital recovery time after a colectomy (10 days iirc)
― tales from endoscopic oceans (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
I rewatched the first season in one sitting a couple of weeks before S2 started
I don't have the willpower to go, eh one is enough, I'll watch the next one tomorrow. delayed gratification is for weirdos, lol
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
Having not read the books, I've heard that book 3 is bonkers (and I think the later books ignore entire characters?) so I hope HBO allows them to write season 3 with the understand that it will be concluded in season 4. Or else I'd imagine that the creators are pulling their hair out right about now.
― stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
no but it has to go forever
I need wolves and dragons
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
According to rumor GRRM has told Benioff/Weiss how the story ends in case Tim Tebow gives him a heart attack and kills him before he finishes the books.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
I feel very pessimistic about the chances for the books or tv show to reach a satisfying conclusion
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link