2012 republican presidential nominee IV: NEEDS MORE BOOING

Quayle and Palin were probably distractions (they had myriad liabilities beyond having lost an election) from what I think was the writer's main point: that losing stigmatizes, and if you're seriously aiming for the nomination in 2016, losing this time in the VP slot would be a liability. At least in this day and age--the days when Stevenson and Nixon were given second chances seem to be gone. Post-Nixon, the record for losing VP candidates is not good. Muskie lost in '72, Quayle in '00, Lieberman in '04, and Edwards in '08. Most, like Palin, didn't run. The only two to subsequently win the nomination were Dole in '96 (third try, and 20 years removed from his loss) and Mondale in '84 (who had also won one election). If Rubio or Christie or anyone else sees a chance to win, sure, he'd accept. But the writer's article is premised on the idea of not seeing that chance ("But, if we assume for a moment...").

it's too easy to make too much out of the size of sample sets we are working w/. quayle and lieberman were objectively shitty candidates. edwards was the lame white dude in a historic situation but his personal shit woulda taken him down regardless. dole and mondale lost their elections for reasons that had nothing to do w/ the loser-stink on them. did the primary-loser-stink prevent reagan from getting the nom? would *anyone* be talking about edwards in 2008 if he were just some ex-senator? no way. out of the billions (? who knows) of people who have lived in america, 43 people have become president. your odds are not very good. your odds of being president are higher if you have the nomination of a major party. your odds of getting the nomination of a major party are higher if you are a nationally-known figure. your odds of being a nationally-known figure are higher if you are picked as a vp for a ticket.

Best Homer Simpson voice: Is there anything you can't explain, iatee?

as a child who 'knew' Bush I's Presidency mostly from Johnny Carson monologues and Doonesbury, it's sometimes hard to believe that Quayle was a major political figure and not just a punchline

the odds of a rich white man winning this election are not super great, almost all rich white men have not become president...but if you wanted to be president....it's not a bad place to start

xp

it's America,"major political figures" are all punchlines since the process was sold

Happy Easter morbs

Morbs is come again, like wheat that venteth spleen

his bile rose on the third day

he is risen indeed

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/ND03Dj05.html

Rick Santorum's mission from God
By Spengler

Rick Santorum is on a mission from God. He believes that, with all his heart. I do, too: I think that God has a plan for Rick Santorum, and that God wants him to save the United States of America. That plan, though, doesn't include being president, not, at least in 2012.

gets better from there

Santo rum

at first, I thought it was some sort of g00gleproof device.

didn't make any sense, but I was trying to get into this guy's mind.

For all the George Will fans--oh wait, that's me--they were talking about Augusta this morning:

Jake Tapper: "George, it's an anachronism, right? I mean, you can admit that."
Will: "Sure it's an anachronism...I'm an anachronism in a great many ways."

Sincerely curious as to the difference here:

http://cdn.theatlanticwire.com/img/upload/2012/04/09/CkjBk.jpeg

http://dallaspenn.com/pics/albums/politrix/KerryWindSurfing.jpg

I think both are perfectly okay uses of leisure time. Just listened to Mary Matalin explain how one is everything that makes America great, while the other was, and remains, some kind of badge of fraudulence.

I don't think it does romney any favors but for better or worse democrats have to 'prove authenticity' in ways that republicans don't

boogie boards cost $10 at walmart; kerry appears to be wearing special goggles

I mean it might be a 'thing' earlier in the gop primary but the only people who are crazy enough to try and make 'going to the beach' a controversial anti-american activity have mostly accepted their fate as romney voters

democrats have to 'prove authenticity' in ways that republicans don't

Causing great distress for the nation at times.

http://thedriverid.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/obamabowling.jpg?w=1600

I mean it might be a 'thing' earlier in the gop primary but the only people who are crazy enough to try and make 'going to the beach' a controversial anti-american activity have mostly accepted their fate as romney voters

and these people are usually the ones who make "dressing to go to the beach" a controversial activity

http://i.imgur.com/3pbXU.jpg

otm

hahaha can't wait for the photoshop.

Emphatic non-dibs on that, but I have a kind of dicey history with that whole genre.

The Obama bowling thing was kind of hard to believe

I should have posted it side-by-side with this, which happened simultaneously:

http://whatwouldjackdo.net/hillaryheston.jpg

Just as awkward and far more creepy, although with the advantage of not leaving behind a score.

Sometimes forget image tags:

http://whatwouldjackdo.net/hillaryheston.jpg

okay, now that really IS triggering palin bikini flashbacks

jeez, Charlton Heston looked goofier than I remembered

I actually wasn't 100% sure that was fake, it seemed almost plausible for a second, maybe from her rural woman period in the primary

that was really one of the most amazing coups, everyone just suddenly accepting her as a downhome pickup truck driver woman of the people, I still don't really understand what happened

I should pretend I intended for everyone to do a triple-take, but, embarrassing as this is, I thought that was a real photo dating back to all that nonsense she spouted in Pennsylvania in '08. Whatever she said at the time was basically in line with the photo. I'm a little too quick to search and post sometimes. Note to self: must check man-hands next time. Or suit and tie. Or clumsy photoshop. Or something.

I have a vague memory that Hillary ordered a boilermaker in Pennsylvania or Ohio in the spring of 2008. Not 100% sure if it happened. Her version of bowling?

Googled. It was almost 4 years ago to the day (4/13/08):

"CROWN POINT, Indiana – After a day of taking shots at rival Sen. Barack Obama over his "bitter" remarks, Sen. Hillary Clinton relaxed in Crown Point, Indiana and took a shot of a different kind – Crown Royal whiskey."

No shrinking violet, HRC, but a man's man, apparently. More of the same authenticity crap more likely.

Kicking and a-gouging, the guns and the mud and the beer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AMDz8vDslc

one day that's gonna be a document for some ap us history exam

that was really one of the most amazing coups, everyone just suddenly accepting her as a downhome pickup truck driver woman of the people, I still don't really understand what happened

She ran against a black guy.

lol iatee

http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2012/03/20/251140-2011-hillary-clinton-eagle-eyes-hu-jintao.jpg

weird

http://www.judiciaryreport.com/images/hillary-clinton-drinking-5-30-08-2.jpg

Since when is Crown Royal some hard workin' salt-of-the-earth-type drink? It's not exactly Old Overholt...

Canadian booze? What a pinko.

I love that airplane picture.

so Newt has accepted reality -- has clemenza? Perhaps you're ready for your general election thread, One's a Born Liar, The Other's Self-Made.

Yes, sometime around Ohio. (A small part of me is still hoping for a Cain/Perry ticket to light up the convention.) Now, I know you haven't been on this thread much. When there is a thread for the general, please remember to be on your best behaviour.

Damn, woman.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zcCd36IlG-Y/SA1aj0YewpI/AAAAAAAAAaE/-ihyTh7yoX4/s400/Hillary+Drinking+A+Shot.bmp

http://www.soulscode.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/hillary-beer-drinking.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9bcYLWTX6N0/SdYnN7rAVmI/AAAAAAAABbE/vytKUdOiZ2E/s400/hillary-drinking-beer-in-indiana.jpg

http://wonkette.com/assets/resources/2008/04/drinkinghils1.jpg

http://images.politico.com/global/080414_hrc_simonsays1.jpg

http://www.frugal-bachelor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Clinton-presidente.jpg

http://www.gazettenet.com/files/images/20080523-050124-pic-453946289.display.jpg

And daaammmmmmmn, woman.

http://theoriginalwinger.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/bill-clinton-soccer.jpg

I'd have to cover myself with a volleyball too.