and four years before quake (a year before doom, even)
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
the only good part of that movie was the chick that drowned
― the late great, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
it was soooo 90s to be like "what the gritty, industrial, magnificently-realized alien universe needs is... a dose of gallic whimsy!"
tbh, i think the heavy presence of the gritty and industrial in the 90s pop visual imagination owes a lot to david fincher
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
Most interesting thing about Alien Resurrection now is it basically being a very early version of Whedon's "Firefly," pretty much.
That and Brad Dourif getting his head eaten.
― butvi wouls (Phil D.), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.weylandindustries.com/6EQUJ5/6EQUJ5.jpg
so psyched for prometheus: the fifth element
― dayo, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
the fountainmetheus
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
Alien 3 was before Doom. 4 had the Jeunet crew and rusted, crusted brown metal and hit in 97, between Quake 2 & 3, I think.
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah. The original Quake was 96 but it was kind of a medieval deal
― Number None, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
speaking of continuity, ownership, all that: does anyone know what scott thinks of cameron/aliens? or any of the stuff after? i wonder. if it's even knowable. or the writers?
― goole, Monday, March 19, 2012 2:07 PM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark
he initially didnt like aliens but i think he came around on it. ridley can be a bit of a crank. iirc that thing about where cameron talks about teaming up with him on an alien movie was sort of a thing he put out there to try and get them to not make AvP - 'hey dont do that and we'll do this for you instead' - its hilarious to imagine those two hardasses getting along on a set though. that'd be the most torrid production ever probably
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
"What's my motivation?"
"Go talk to the older aggro white bearded guy."
"Uh."
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, March 19, 2012 7:16 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you do know ppl are talking about "alien resurrection" not "alien3" right
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
yeah and also, i think i said this already somewhere on this thread, but it was soooo 90s to be like "what the gritty, industrial, magnificently-realized alien universe needs is... a dose of gallic whimsy!"
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, March 19, 2012 7:12 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^^^^^^^^^LOL yes.
I h8 that movie so much.
― Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
I should check but is the Walter Hill listed as a coproducer THE Walter Hill? Kinda random if so.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, March 19, 2012 6:03 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah he co-wrote/produced the original Alien with David Giler and Gordon Carroll. They were responsible for the android Ash, a lot of the space truckeraesthetic and some other things. They also infamously tried to lock out the original writer, Dan O'Bannon, from getting credit.
They have had producing credit on every Alien movie since, even Alien vs Predator.
― Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
And they also came up with the "soldiers in space" scenario for Aliens and after reading Cameron's Terminator script asked him to write it.
― Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
I've watched the hell out of the Alien series in the last six months after remembering I got the blu-ray set for Christmas over a year ago. I can enjoy all of them, but I'd rank Alien over Aliens any day. I'm really bad at elaborating, but I feel like Cameron definitely created some of the strongest stock characters and battles, but Alien somehow feels better as a film. It's kind of survival horror versus straight up action movie, though.
― mh, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
Meanwhile, Jeunet/Whedon's take was pretty much "Whedon meets French science fiction" which means it either needs to have fart jokes, take itself way too seriously, or both.
Fincher was pretty much screwed from the start
― mh, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
when did jeunet become a stand-in for all french sci-fi?
― the late great, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
I was kind of generalizing to the few I've seen? Not necessarily just Jeunet
― mh, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:25 (twelve years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:French_science_fiction_films
I've seen more than I thought! I think there are a few Quebec films in here, but French language regardless
― mh, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:28 (twelve years ago) link
― the late great, Monday, March 19, 2012 3:14 PM (1 hour ago)
whiney?
― diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Monday, 19 March 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
Alien Resurrection is pretty funny if you imagine that the Winona android was based on Amelie
― mh, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
nah, i said the chick, not the drowning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZtlBkGfig4
― the late great, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
I had a Hollywood insider friend in college, and I remember him leaking the Alien 4 script to me. I read it over, and I was like, no fucking way. Same thing happened when he showed me the script to "A Life Less Ordinary," and I thought, no one way is this the follow-up to "Trainspotting."
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
ironic, because danny boyle was attached to direct Alien Resurrection at one point
― Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
Had a shot at being better with him attached, imo.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, it was kinda funny seeing how he grafted on a horror subplot to Sunshine. Total "damn I should've taken Alien IV" syndrome
― Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link
The horror plot is kind of ehhh but Sunshine was pretty awesome cast and visual-wise
― mh, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:36 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, it was a beautiful not-very-good movie.
― Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 21:38 (twelve years ago) link
Alien Resurrection can't even say that for itself. It's just ugly and stupid all the way through.
― Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not very trustworthy though, I watched Pandorum a couple times when it was on starz.
― mh, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:39 (twelve years ago) link
I've waxed about Sunshine elsewhere on ilx, but to sum up: I've made my peace with the third act and I'm glad it's the way it is.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
Best parts of Alien Resurrection:
- Ripley clones, including the one who is a main character being "born" and the creepy botched ones - When Ripley seems especially non-human/cold at the beginning, bleeds acid, and Weaver has a way with motion that really projects something creepy, that she's not human - The aliens killing one of their own to unleash enough acid to escape, after they've learned about the punishment button from creepy scientist dude - Total horror of the people revived from stasis only to have the first thing they see be a facehugger
The army, Dan Hedaya, mercenary bits are all... not so hot. The "sheeee's giving birth for YOU, Ripley!" part is trying too hard for body horror and it's not quite there
um now I'm back to thinking about Prometheus
― mh, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
i love brad dourif
― goole, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
is alien 4 the one where they play basketball?
― dayo, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
yup
― catbus otm (gbx), Monday, 19 March 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
The basketball scene is... some of the best and worst elements of the movie meeting
― mh, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
I really hated how dumbed down the aliens were in that movie. They look like slimy velociraptors. And the movie's so brown that in some shots they look like piles of shit with teeth. There's some really ugly cinematography in that movie.
― Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, it's a space monster movie, this shit's important
― Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
I caught a bit of alien 4 when it was on TV - breaks the rule of not showing the monster too much, right?
― dayo, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
They also infamously tried to lock out the original writer, Dan O'Bannon, from getting credit.
Ah, well, fuck them, then.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 March 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
The only shitty thing about the Alien series as far as I'm concerned is a coke-addled James Cameron going on a "they killed Newt / I will never forgive them" tirade. A1 is awesome, A2-4 are almost all equally watchable.
Oh, the part in A4 when the baby hybrid shows up was bad. xp
― mom in the woods (Ówen P.), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
A2-4 are almost all equally watchable.
no
― Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
Although when I saw the movie in the theatre, the projector cinched up right at the moment of the big (crap) reveal, the light burnt the film and the movie ended. We got free passes to the next showing. It was a way better ending than Jeunet's xp
― mom in the woods (Ówen P.), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
Wm Gibson did a draft of the Alien3 screenplay, iirc
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
The aliens killing one of their own to unleash enough acid to escape, after they've learned about the punishment button from creepy scientist dude
that part is awesome
the alien baby hybrid getting killed by mama ripley was ... sad :-(
― the late great, Monday, 19 March 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah that's crazy. A2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A3>>>>>>>>>>>insert vastness of space where no one can you scream>>>>>>>>>>>A4
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
was there anybody NOT involved with A3 iirc
― Summer Slam! (Ste), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
tila tequila
― Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
I dunno, the A2>A3>A4 thing is popular consensus but I basically feel like Jeunet>Fincher>everybody>Cameron so whatever
― mom in the woods (Ówen P.), Monday, 19 March 2012 22:15 (twelve years ago) link
i mean i've always sorta felt like 2 and 3 were just sorta "here is the Alien story, with a slightly different (action! apocalyptic!) angle on it
4 was like HI ITS THE 90S
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 19 March 2012 22:23 (twelve years ago) link