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Ridley Scott is talking about doing an Alien prequelThat’s a strange move for him. I mean, Ridley and I talked over lunch maybe 10 years ago and I said, “Look, I’ll write it and produce it, you direct it, it’ll ****ing kick ass!” And he was like, “Yeah, let’s do it!” And nothing happened. And then they did Alien vs. Predator, and that kind of pissed in the soup. I think Ridley really should do science fiction. He made the two most iconic science-fiction films of the 20th century. When he came to visit me [on the set of Avatar] I said to him, “Quit ****ing around with these wine movies in the south of France, make another science fiction film.” And he saw the technique we were using and got all fired up about it. He turned to his producer and said, “Why am I doing this Robin Hood? I should be doing science fiction!”
― Number None, Monday, 19 March 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 March 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
Hey look, two of them space jockey/elephant/suits in the corridor behind her:
http://cdn.chud.com/9/99/9936eaaa_prometheus1.jpeg
― StanM, Monday, 19 March 2012 18:13 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, all credit to Cameron, obv.
I'm probably one of the few people who liked his Robin Hood? It wasn't mind-blowing or anything, but IMO it was an interesting attempt to do a more "realistic" take on the RH mythos. Certainly better than Gladiator.
― Tuomas, Monday, 19 March 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
Most anything is better than Gladiator.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 19 March 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
My god, these monsters are hideous when they're out of their suits: http://i43.tinypic.com/2m5f993.jpg
― StanM, Monday, 19 March 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
I dug Robin Hood for the same reasons, Tuomas
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 March 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
I liked Russell Crowe's Irish accent
― Number None, Monday, 19 March 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-I0FEMKrTFjs/Tzu_dbTQocI/AAAAAAAARIY/Oo9EqKqnJxM/s1600/NorthFaceWillyWonka.jpg
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 19 March 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
the battle scene on the beach was pretty cool
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 March 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
Some of the preview designs look interesting, but at this point, I expect every genre film to be shit or massively disappointing, so I ain't got my hopes up.
That said, I'm trying to think of other iconic 20th C films that reach that level. 2001, maybe? Star Wars and the Matrix were both tarnished by later connected flicks.
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Monday, 19 March 2012 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
Matrix tarnished by its makers imho
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 19 March 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
How so
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Monday, 19 March 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
Star Wars wasn't?
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 19 March 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
We should probably have a thread for the Wachowski's Cloud Atlas at some point. Gonna be hilarious
― Number None, Monday, 19 March 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
matrix is great. sequels are poop. wachowski's are just some people, iirc.
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 19 March 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
Come to think of it, I still have never seen Alien IV a second time. Kinda wanna watch Alien 3 to see how many UK character actors I recognize.
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Monday, 19 March 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
Hey look, two of them space jockey/elephant/suits in the corridor behind her
seriously look like some space cthulhus
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 19 March 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
When he came to visit me [on the set of Avatar] I said to him, “Quit ****ing around with these wine movies in the south of France, make another science fiction film.” And he saw the technique we were using and got all fired up about it. He turned to his producer and said, “Why am I doing this Robin Hood? I should be doing science fiction!”
Hahah. OTM. But I saw said wine flick on a flight (rather, I noted it was playing but didn't bother actually dealing with the audio) and it certainly looked appropriately gorgeous so hey.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 March 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
Marion Cotillard looked appropriately gorgeous. Dunno about the movie
― Number None, Monday, 19 March 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
what the fuck does charlie chaplin have to do with north face, that's the dumbest meme i've ever seen
also ridley scott has made at least a few decent movies in the last eon: black hawk down, gladiator, american gangster, body of lies
― the late great, Monday, 19 March 2012 18:37 (twelve years ago) link
i don't think any of those are epochal like alien or aliens but definitely around the sweet spot between popcorn thriller and more serious fare
― the late great, Monday, 19 March 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
lol charlie chaplin
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 19 March 2012 18:56 (twelve years ago) link
cotillard? chaplin? what happened, i am confused
― goole, Monday, 19 March 2012 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
could def see cotillard playing paulette godard in a new biopic
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
wait, this is a BIOPIC?
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
xenobiopic
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:05 (twelve years ago) link
haha willie wonka my bad
― the late great, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
Also, Alien IV was one of those times that so crystallized the prevailing design trend at the time for me. That particular trend being "Looking like a Quake level"
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
haha yes
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
yeah and also, i think i said this already somewhere on this thread, but it was soooo 90s to be like "what the gritty, industrial, magnificently-realized alien universe needs is... a dose of gallic whimsy!"
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
and four years before quake (a year before doom, even)
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
the only good part of that movie was the chick that drowned
― the late great, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
it was soooo 90s to be like "what the gritty, industrial, magnificently-realized alien universe needs is... a dose of gallic whimsy!"
tbh, i think the heavy presence of the gritty and industrial in the 90s pop visual imagination owes a lot to david fincher
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
Most interesting thing about Alien Resurrection now is it basically being a very early version of Whedon's "Firefly," pretty much.
That and Brad Dourif getting his head eaten.
― butvi wouls (Phil D.), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.weylandindustries.com/6EQUJ5/6EQUJ5.jpg
so psyched for prometheus: the fifth element
― dayo, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
the fountainmetheus
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
Alien 3 was before Doom. 4 had the Jeunet crew and rusted, crusted brown metal and hit in 97, between Quake 2 & 3, I think.
― Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah. The original Quake was 96 but it was kind of a medieval deal
― Number None, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
speaking of continuity, ownership, all that: does anyone know what scott thinks of cameron/aliens? or any of the stuff after? i wonder. if it's even knowable. or the writers?
― goole, Monday, March 19, 2012 2:07 PM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark
he initially didnt like aliens but i think he came around on it. ridley can be a bit of a crank. iirc that thing about where cameron talks about teaming up with him on an alien movie was sort of a thing he put out there to try and get them to not make AvP - 'hey dont do that and we'll do this for you instead' - its hilarious to imagine those two hardasses getting along on a set though. that'd be the most torrid production ever probably
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
"What's my motivation?"
"Go talk to the older aggro white bearded guy."
"Uh."
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, March 19, 2012 7:16 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you do know ppl are talking about "alien resurrection" not "alien3" right
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 19 March 2012 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, March 19, 2012 7:12 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^^^^^^^^^LOL yes.
I h8 that movie so much.
― Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
I should check but is the Walter Hill listed as a coproducer THE Walter Hill? Kinda random if so.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, March 19, 2012 6:03 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah he co-wrote/produced the original Alien with David Giler and Gordon Carroll. They were responsible for the android Ash, a lot of the space truckeraesthetic and some other things. They also infamously tried to lock out the original writer, Dan O'Bannon, from getting credit.
They have had producing credit on every Alien movie since, even Alien vs Predator.
― Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
And they also came up with the "soldiers in space" scenario for Aliens and after reading Cameron's Terminator script asked him to write it.
― Conmetheus (latebloomer), Monday, 19 March 2012 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
I've watched the hell out of the Alien series in the last six months after remembering I got the blu-ray set for Christmas over a year ago. I can enjoy all of them, but I'd rank Alien over Aliens any day. I'm really bad at elaborating, but I feel like Cameron definitely created some of the strongest stock characters and battles, but Alien somehow feels better as a film. It's kind of survival horror versus straight up action movie, though.
― mh, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
Meanwhile, Jeunet/Whedon's take was pretty much "Whedon meets French science fiction" which means it either needs to have fart jokes, take itself way too seriously, or both.
Fincher was pretty much screwed from the start
― mh, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
when did jeunet become a stand-in for all french sci-fi?
― the late great, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
I was kind of generalizing to the few I've seen? Not necessarily just Jeunet
― mh, Monday, 19 March 2012 20:25 (twelve years ago) link