Enlightened probably doesn't cost 1/20th of what Luck does.
― akm, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
Mann's a genius, too, but he arrived at it through sheer hard work, which perhaps explains why he's been so much more successful.
He's also terrifying, and a careerist of the first magnitude. His legend - like, say, Lynch's - eclipses his outputs.
― aka vanilla bean (remy bean), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link
and kills 1/20th of the horses
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
I think laura dern is going to slit a horse's throat in the season opener
― akm, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
mann is a genius fuiud
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
no one suggested he wasnt?
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
yah remy did
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
if im parsing his pretend hollywood insider schtick correctly
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
Mann's a genius, too
oh rlly
Ali, The Insider, Collateral... jeezus, up there w/ the best of Renoir
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
shhh go watch e.t.
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
Heat was at least like a nutty 3-hour condensation of these endless HBO shows you guys love
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:32 (twelve years ago) link
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― lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
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he said hes ALSO terrifying and etc., which means he agrees with the genius premise
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link
Trigger lived through Son of Paleface
http://www.buyersmls.com/RoyRogers/paleface/bobtrig.jpg
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
His legend - like, say, Lynch's - eclipses his outputs
I realize josh and remy are just having a v strange convoluted conversation but still
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link
the insider is better than anything spielberg has done in the last 25 years or so tbh
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
jeez war horse right up there with renoir
i dont think thats inconsistent with geniushood - mann hasnt made a Great movie in years and years - just some interesting ones
― these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
many of my favourite geniuses do tons of horrible shit
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
(altman, spielberg, mann, de palma...)
wild inconsistency is almost a defining feature of genius
s1ocki, we've prob been over this; I bet your films are better than the crap you like.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
weve been over this
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
slocki
that's like whatever the opposite of a backhanded compliment is :D
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:41 (twelve years ago) link
patiently waiting for you to arrange a screening for me btw!
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
morbs you realize i like probably 90% of what you like, there's just like... other stuff i like too
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
is 'heat' the Great one?
― Lamp, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
morbs can't resist dead horses
― polyphonic, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
oh shiiiiiiiiiiii
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
Mann has been making the same great movie in different iterations since "Thief."
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
“A director makes only one movie in his life. Then he breaks it into pieces and makes it again.” -Jean Renoir
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
Here's the infamously fascinating New Yorker piece, btw:
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/02/14/050214fa_fact_singer
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
And while it's pointless to argue with Morbs ... Morbs, even you have to admire Mann's formal gifts, right? Even if you for some reason disdain his philosophical/thematic stuff? And even then, I can't believe you'd say a bad thing about "The Insider," one of the best movies of the legendary 1999 slate.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
Heat and Collateral are pretty much untouchable. Basically Josh OTM. Even if there are lots of irritating bits or silly soap-ish themes or etc. there are still at least a few amazing redeeming shots and moments which are stone classic.
― s.clover, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
Heat is really great. I kind of think he almost gets a lifetime pass for that. But he has made some dire shit, like Last of the Mohicans.
― akm, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
to be fair, consider the source material: http://etext.virginia.edu/railton/projects/rissetto/offense.html
― s.clover, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
Both of these guys would be satisfied being the cinematic/TV equivalent of Herman Melville, who had a career of duds but also did Moby Dick.
― "marvellously inoffensive" (Eazy), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
and you know Bartleby and The Confidence-Man and whatever...
― s.clover, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link
i think anyone would be satisfied being the herman melville of whatever artistic field
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
god it would be amazing if "we've been over this" actually resolved conversations on ilx
― some dude, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link
Mann should stop after "breaks it into pieces."
Last of the Mohicans was all right. His spiffy-looking stuff since then is like liquor ads minus the content.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
lol
have you seen the insider tho morbs? it really is terrif.
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
the Luck opening credits really do look like a liquor ad, kinda turns me off the show
― some dude, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
what turns me off is the way they wrap every episode shoot by slitting a horse's throat
― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:50 (twelve years ago) link
u know what turns me on, bathing in horses blood tbqh
― lag∞n, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
I prefer going the Full Bathory.
"Last of the Mohicans" may be the only Mann i like exclusively for its formal "Barry Lyndon"-y elements. Also, the fact that they didn't kill people for real in the battle scenes.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
The Godfather could've been better if the beheaded horse had been killed specifically for the production, and footage of the slaying had been integrated into the film
― some dude, Friday, 16 March 2012 19:02 (twelve years ago) link
sorry that post was obv meant for the comedy movie poll
This is Luck's precedent, from Mann's side:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoCLxp2W9xE
― "marvellously inoffensive" (Eazy), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link