Burton and Depp keep on Burtoning and Depping in...Dark Shadows!

http://open.spotify.com/user/lathamgreen/playlist/6oAn3jbCEuSOLGopVcuSMN

dark entries !! dark entries!!! Barnabus!! Peter!!

horror+ soap opera + reality show

I don't know how much cultural currency the original show has now, but people who never even saw it might see this b/c of Depp, Burton, vampires, they like the trailer, or for whatever reason they go to other movies. There are people who probably don't even know this is based on an tv show.
I actually love Dark Shadows but have no need to see it get the "Burton/Depp treatment" Sweeney Todd was okay but most of the recent ones have been terrible (or looked terrible.) If anything they are probably worse for people who have any fondness for or knowledge of the source material.

i think there's an older This American Life episode about a dude who goes to a Dark Shadows convention

there could be non-cynical reasons for reviving it, like burton & co just dig it

I want to say "wtf people Sweeney Todd sucked" but I think my distaste for Sondheim had a lot to do with that opinion.

The best thing I can say about the last 15 years of Tim Burton's career(having not seen Sweeney Todd) is that Charlie & The Chocolate Factory wasn't awful.

I'm not a huge fan of Batman, but pretty much everything he did >15 years ago ranges from solid to wonderful.

Are you kidding? That was the worst one of that entire period!

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I remember Sweeney Todd being not as bad as the others, but I like Stephen Sondheim. Though, they left out The Ballad Of Sweeney Todd and didn't employ good singers. I don't actually remember much else about it.

http://www.collegehumor.com/video/5941081/tim-burtons-secret-formula

sure this has appeared on multiple tim burton threads but def applies to this trailer

that said, aside from Ed Wood, I've seen little reason to think Tim Burton should leave his wheelhouse

ed wood is pretty firmly in his wheelhouse

i think we both know how the point-counterpoint on that goes

shall we?

en garde!

weird old hollywood, b-movies, misfit protagonists, johnny depp.

go!

The singing in Sweeny Todd was lol but the visual spectacle (which is kind of the point of Burton films nowadays) was great and, since the story it was based on was good, it didn't have awful rhetorical flourishes like whatever the fuck that thing at the end of Alice in Wonderland was (the Fudderwacken?)

biopic, not fantastical (orson aside), bill murray

i dont like sondheim but i thought sweeney todd ws pretty good

biopic, not fantastical (orson aside), bill murray

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but i mean, come on, it touches on practically all his fixations, i'll give you its a bit of a departure, but it's still in his wheelhouse. just a different room in the wheelhouse. he's a successful director, he can afford a big wheelhouse!

ok maybe you didn't foresee how the debate of what defines a wheelhouse would go

NEVER. FORGET.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1vaEweJUUk

if I'd seen Alice or the original Dark Shadows I bet I'd be more annoyed by this trailer

Okay I forgot about that scene, I guess that does push AIW over C&TCF as the worst Burton, but its still really close.

t/s: "Fudderwacken" vs "the same CGI Oompa Loompa over and over"

As I understand it, the Fudderwacken one of the tweaks they made to Alice In Wonderland in the wake of negative test audience reaction to the original version of the film (which was mostly just two hours of Tim Burton urinating on Lewis Carroll's corpse).

I have not seen a Burton movie since . . . which came out more recently, Mars Attacks or Sleepy Hollow? Whichever of those.

Guys its only going to get worse:

On January 19, 2010, it was announced that after Dark Shadows, Burton's next project would be a Wicked-like film that showed the origin and the past of Sleeping Beauty's antagonist Maleficent. In an interview with Fandango published February 23, 2010, however, he denied he was directing any upcoming Sleeping Beauty film.[21] However, on November 23, 2010, in an interview with MTV, Burton confirmed that he was indeed putting together a script for Maleficent.[22] It was announced in The Hollywood Reporter on May 16, 2011 that Burton is no longer attached to Maleficent.[23]

Sleepy Hollow was more recent, '99 vs '96.

I still think my idea for Alice (The White Queen and the Mad Hatter are actually villains duping Alice into destroying Wonderland) would have been a more interesting movie

xp: oh no, Tim Burton had an idea for a movie that he is no longer attached to, the future is so bleak now

the worst thing about the fudderwacken was that the instant they mention near the beginning that the mad hatter has a famous dance or something you can see it all so crystal clear and you have to sit there for 90 minutes with it hanging over you

xp: oh no, Tim Burton had an idea for a movie that he is no longer attached to, the future is so bleak now

congrats for not reading all the way through, he's still involved

uhhh

or not, lol jokes on me

Sleepy Hollow and Planet of the Apes were the one-two punch that pretty much TKO-ed Burton out of my favor.

the worst thing about the fudderwacken is EVERYTHING

the constant back and forth confused me, still the idea of the film is awful, Burton or no

I kind of liked Sleepy Hollow, but Apes was awful.

Apes was okay, I enjoyed it enough while watching it but have zero desire to ever see it again

i don't understand why Hollywood launched 900 "dark reinterpretation of a fairytale" tv shows and movies before a single one succeeded. Sure, it's a logical follow up to hit superhero and vampire movies, but it really does seem like a thousand ships were launched before we'd ok'd a single one. Unless Alice counts.

from best to worst:

Batman Returns
Batman
Pee-Wee's Big Adventure
The Nightmare Before Christmas (i know he didn't direct this, but still)
Edward Scissorhands
Mars Attacks
Ed Wood
Beetlejuice
Corpse Bride
Sweeney Todd
Sleepy Hollow
Big Fish
Planet of the Apes
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Alice in Wonderland

Oh, god, I did see Planet of the Apes. Horrible, horrible, horrible.

lol never realized two of his movies are "Johnny Depp IS Ed..."

I saw Big Fish, too! Obviously I have repressed all memory of having seen these movies why because they are terrible.

Gonna start working on my fantastical script for Edison because seriously how could Tim and Johnny resist

I don't remember Sleepy Hollow, does anyone care to say more about it, pro or con?
Planet of the Apes was so awful.
I didn't see AIW.

I think I still own Big Fish, I bought it at one of those Blockbuster sales where you could buy DVDs for like $2. Still overpaid by about $3, imho.

Sleepy Hollow had Johnny Depp doing a Doctor Who impersonation and was chock full of comedy decapitations; it was great!

otm

As we speak...a new generation of fangirls is applying Rule 34 to Peanuts, and probably every other cartoon with which you grew up.

lol from tumblr:

Tim Burton should just make a movie called ‘Johnny Depp’.

plot twist: Johnny Depp is played by Helena Bonham Carter.

wd watch

if it was done sleuth style with hbc playing both characters it could work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHchmWsrfUo

^ ultimate fish out of water film

Wound up getting out of seeing it by getting showtime wrong and giving up.

I'm watching this now. Not bad, a few dumb montages aside. It is hard to buy Eva Green as an evil witch though.

If the thought of Johnny Depp playing a vampire for under 2 hours appeals to you, you will enjoy this.

beg to differ

i *thought* that idea appealed to me until I saw Dark Shadows

It's incredibly stupid and watered down. But that doesn't mean it isn't enjoyable. It just means they had like 6 producers and you end up with a safe Hollywood movie that lets Tim Burton goth out in a big-budget way.

As a soap Passions just got worse and worse

It is stupid and watered down. It isn't particularly enjoyable. Werewolf reveal was the biggest deus ex whogivesafuck ever. So why do I sometimes feel like defending this one? Must have something to do with Eva Green.

It's been a long time since I felt moved to walk out of a theater. Dark Shadows is as close as I've come. Not walk out in disgust as much as, I'd rather go sit in the parking lot.

Alice Cooper was cool tho

They should have made Alice Cooper the werewolf.