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flags excite the right wing in people for some reason. here in australia there have been multiple kerfuffles over flag burning and whether it falls within the constitutional right to free speech in the past couple of years. it's a bit beyond me personally. but then i was also completely mystified by the outrage over today's kids not knowing what d-day was as well. perhaps i have no soul.

― gem (trisk), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:41 (nineteen years ago) link

People should know what D-Day is, of course -- it need not be a right-wing commemoration as it tends to be.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:42 (nineteen years ago) link

D-day commemorations become more preposterous if they continue to happen on years w/ zeros on the end of them after every veteran has died.

which prolly won't be too long - cue single centenarian standing on beach.

― MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:43 (nineteen years ago) link

should they? why is that? not saying they shouldn't, just that i couldn't really understand the outrage over it.

― gem (trisk), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:44 (nineteen years ago) link

D-Day anniversary is more correctly a commemoration (xpost). Also it was implied that all the stops were out as this was meant to be the last ceremonies of this type to do with this war.

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:44 (nineteen years ago) link

but then i was also completely mystified by the outrage over today's kids not knowing what d-day was as well

well quite. Being an island in the Southern Hemisphere gives Australia every reason to shrug about Northern Hemisphere wars past and present.

― MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:44 (nineteen years ago) link

you're being sarcastic mark?

― gem (trisk), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not being sarcastic at all. what made you think I was?

― MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Mark, I think you'll find Australians fought in these wars too, not to mention also being in Iraq right now. The odd history lesson about this and the repercussions of WWII probably wouldn't hurt.

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Leonard Johansson (UEFA High Heid Yin) praised the English FA for the steps they had taken to prevent known hooligans travelling to Portugal in an attempt to minimise violence.
This seems to have worked to an extent, with no major clashes at or around the stadium last night. What I can't work out is how on earth it all kicked off in Croydon. I can't fathom the mentality that says 'we love England and everything that remotely symbolises all that is good about England' then goes and throws stones at Bobbies in their quintessentially English silly hats.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i wasn't sure. only a large number of australians died beneath the british flag and rather a lot of fighting in ww2 went on in the southern hemisphere too, so i actually do think we should acknowledge it as an important part of our national history.... but the uproar about people forgetting the details surprised me, that's all.

― gem (trisk), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:49 (nineteen years ago) link

the poor old aussies even had to fight in vietnam.

i hate the england flags, i don't really know why, but combine them with the recent election results and you just want to throw up. thatcher's children are back!

― dave amos, Monday, 14 June 2004 09:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I found it slightly more distressing to see French flags adouring a pub up here. A touch unnecessary from the Scots minority.

― ___ (___), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, when it comes to football, i think the french are quite multilateralist : cf all the algerian and moroccan flags in the stadium yesterday.

― -Bruno, Monday, 14 June 2004 09:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm basically with Dog Latin on this. Flags make me angry - they just seem to reek of ignorance and act as carte blanche for acts of ugly xenophobia in our country's namer.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:06 (nineteen years ago) link

a flag need only be a geographic reference, tho religion tends to dominate proceedings (perhaps one reason why i LIKE the USA flag).

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:12 (nineteen years ago) link

as a geographic reference, you can't beat the Cyprus flag.

― MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:43 (nineteen years ago) link

more animals on flags please

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:46 (nineteen years ago) link

doesn't the California flag have a bear on it?

― chris (chris), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Flags make me angry

Okaaaaayyyyy....

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Coventry coat of arms to thread!

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:48 (nineteen years ago) link

That California flag in full:

http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/calflag1.gif

As you can see by the red star and the logo, we are also an independent country and Communist.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, the Cov shield is great for a cornucopia of animals - what I was initially thinking of was Warwickshire's:

http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/Web/Graphics/graphics.nsf/graphics/Warwickshire+Coat+of+arms/$file/coatofarms.jpg

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:49 (nineteen years ago) link

is the Libyan flag still just a green base with nothing on it?

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:50 (nineteen years ago) link

The bear looks like he's dancing with the tree trunk.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:50 (nineteen years ago) link

it is officially known as a ragged staff...hence the Bear & Ragged Staff pub name - there are pubs of this name in Romsey, Hants and Cumnor, Oxon.

The Coventry coat of arms *should* feature Lady Godiva.

― MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm basically with Dog Latin on this. Flags make me angry - they just seem to reek of ignorance and act as carte blanche for acts of ugly xenophobia in our country's namer.

They also make for great weapons

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:13 (nineteen years ago) link

"the day I take pride in my country is the day the people who are so fucking proud of it stop making me feel ashamed to live here."

I love you dog latin, for summing up my general state of mind over the last few weeks in ways that I never could.

England's youth are the equivalent to other countries doddering old war veterans, especially when football is involved.

― Oliver Pyper (stickthrower), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link

What are their vets like?

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:39 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.ethicalarts.org/photogallery4/dont%20tread%20on%20me.jpg
http://www.warblogging.com/illustrations/dont.tread.on.me.jpg


I wish the US flag had been this. Also cool:

http://home.att.net/~bzygo2/nh97.jpg

― Jon in R'lyeh (ex machina), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:40 (nineteen years ago) link

The American flag is a design travesty! At least the English one shows some simplicity and restraint. I mean, not to be thinnist, but would you rather be faced with overweight nationalists or overweight nationalists in giant, red, horizontal stripes.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:49 (nineteen years ago) link

'End Tyranny' and 'No War' does not compute.

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

imagine that without this hippie bs

― Jon in R'lyeh (ex machina), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link

"preserving liberty" and "save trees" does not compute either. what about my liberty to cut trees? what if one day i decided that cutting down trees would make me happy??

happiness, more or less, it's about cutting trees, something in my liberty.

oh my my!

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:56 (nineteen years ago) link

We had to practise some spectacular self-editing in the pub last night. One of our party has the last name French. In all the time I have known him we've generally called him French, Frenchie, Frenchwise, Frenchbloke etc. I think he probablt had to wear an England shirt in self-defence.

― Anna (Anna), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:56 (nineteen years ago) link

he should change his lastname to Freedom

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Ken, the right to swing your axe ends where the other man's branch begins.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:08 (nineteen years ago) link

The line for me is a simple positive/negative one. Pride in your country = positive. Hating other countries = negative. The absolute worst thing about football, for me, is picking a team to hate and I know *so* many people who do it. It's not part of the fun, it's not what sport should be about.

I called a French player a name last night. It was Willy Spagbol.

― Madchen (Madchen), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Ken, the right to swing your axe ends where the other man's branch begins.

does that include wooden legs?

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link

as Sagnol came on someone in the pub shouted "Come On Willy!" jokingly to some mirth. my follow up "Come On Jimmy!" was met with indifference.

i'm really happy when Germany lose. i don't like to see them succeed. nor Brazil. only because it feels predictable and i long for hierarchal change. nothing against the nation, it's people or it's customs - quite the opposite in fact.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:22 (nineteen years ago) link

You want them to lose because you love them?

― Madchen (Madchen), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link

tough love

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link

no i want them to lose because they usually win, that's all. this would apply to any team (i hate when Man U win the league), the only exceptions perhaps being Celtic (a 'lesser of two evil horses' thing, not that i'm saying Celtic or Rangers are evil) and England (moot anyway because they never win shit)

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:12 (nineteen years ago) link

but celtic win loads more than rangers nowadays...

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't know any evil horses...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:17 (nineteen years ago) link

that's why they're our fwiends.

― MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link

exactly ken, and i only wish the best for the Bhoys. but come on the Dutch eh?!

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:23 (nineteen years ago) link

a live horse is an evil horse

― chris (chris), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:23 (nineteen years ago) link

i should perhaps rephrase that considering i'm talking to ken. how was New York btw?

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:23 (nineteen years ago) link

a live horse is an evil horse

but still a tasty one right?

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:23 (nineteen years ago) link

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Sadly if England improvise a bit of Purcell over those sweet Senegalese textures to get to the quarters we will see more of this shit.

― xyzzzz__, Friday, 2 December 2022 11:27 (one year ago) link

only seen 1 of those plastic car ones so far. i'm guessing that no retailers bothered stocking them due to general pre-tournament antipathy, so any you see would've been kept from last time?

― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Friday, 2 December 2022 11:37 (one year ago) link

As a barber
my most iconic work
was bleaching
Phil Foden's
hair

― Michael Jones, Friday, 2 December 2022 11:43 (one year ago) link

Feels a bit like that with Christmas this year. I mean, obvs there's Christmas stuff about the gaffe in town but it all seems a bit rote and "can't be arsed"

― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 2 December 2022 13:34 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

https://i.ibb.co/QcdWRtz/uuu.jpg

― Tow Law City (cherry blossom), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 13:21 (one year ago) link

Can we guess the city?

― lord of the rongs (anagram), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 13:44 (one year ago) link

swindon

― LaMDA barry-stanners (||||||||), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 13:55 (one year ago) link

Should I move it to the GTC thread?

― Tow Law City (cherry blossom), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 14:46 (one year ago) link

Or guess it here!? Engish cities get sort of a lukewarm reception there

― Tow Law City (cherry blossom), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 14:49 (one year ago) link

As an aside I posted it here because I streetviewed round a few British cities looking for flags, and there are a lot fewer than I remembered/imagined. I have a feeling they somewhat ubiqutuous but streetview seems to suggest otherwise!

― Tow Law City (cherry blossom), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 14:52 (one year ago) link

it's Scandinavia you need to go to if you want to see national flags everywhere

― Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 14:53 (one year ago) link

I tried two Scandinavian cities and they both failed the 100 click street view challenge (how many flags can you see in 100 movements)

Aarhus 0
Oslo 1

― Tow Law City (cherry blossom), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 15:30 (one year ago) link

presented without comment

https://www.thenational.scot/news/20184037.rangers-pub-bristol-bar-transforms-extreme-jubilee-makeover---see-inside/

― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Tuesday, 7 March 2023 15:34 (one year ago) link

Additionally

The city above: 3
Derby: 0
Peterborough: 1 (Polish)
Blackpool: 0
Ayr: 0
Samara: 1
Charleroi: 2 (1 Belgian 1 Ukrainian)
Worcester MA: 4
Tirana: 2
Belgrade: 6
Kyiv: 11

― Tow Law City (cherry blossom), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 15:36 (one year ago) link

four weeks pass...

Its time to give Clacton a go at this

― Tow Law City (cherry blossom), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 10:03 (one year ago) link

0!

Not a single flag in a hundred clicks

https://i.ibb.co/FXtDdwS/Screenshot-2023-04-04-at-12-11-27.png

I did discover this miniature spacecraft though

― Tow Law City (cherry blossom), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 10:13 (one year ago) link

four weeks pass...

bump

lots of tiny flags in hammersmith, strung tightly from lamp post to lamp post.

one of the post-v1* houses a couple of roads over has a couple of large ones and some bunting.

park flagpost, not yet.

(* there's a gap in a terrace filled with two obviously cheaply-built blocks. graffiti in the plaster work is dated 1945)

― koogs, Wednesday, 3 May 2023 09:53 (one year ago) link

ten months pass...

you had one job...

― koogs, Monday, 25 March 2024 10:10 (two months ago) link


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