― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:35 (twenty years ago) link
― Lars (Nicole), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:36 (twenty years ago) link
Leonardo DiCaprio said, around the time of Titanic, that he saw Depp as his model for how he'd like his career to go.
― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:37 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:37 (twenty years ago) link
― Lars (Nicole), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:40 (twenty years ago) link
― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:41 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:43 (twenty years ago) link
― ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:44 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:44 (twenty years ago) link
How do you mean exactly, TH? Do you mean you can sense the effort or simply are aware of the artifice?
― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:47 (twenty years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:48 (twenty years ago) link
Anybody who gets Disney to let him play a pirate that aggressively swishy (hello! eyeliner! hello! holding compass like a makeup compact! hello! uberfayness!) is cool
Do you mean... Jerry Bruckheimer? (Cue ghoulish circus music.)
― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:49 (twenty years ago) link
I really liked The Ninth Gate. "Boris Balkan" and all that.
― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:53 (twenty years ago) link
― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:57 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:58 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 18:58 (twenty years ago) link
Yeah! With the awesome neon magenta blood spurting everywhere. I mean, the autopsy scene is the funniest thing put to film. That film is awesome.
I totally love Johnny Depp and would have all of his children, robots or not. Ed Wood and Edward Scissorhands are two of my all time favorite movies. I also like Benny & Joon, fuck ya'all hataz (not that anyone's said anything about that film yet but someone WILL).
― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:01 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:02 (twenty years ago) link
"You have to be double-jointed... and Hungarian!"
― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:02 (twenty years ago) link
sorry, I'll stop now
― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:03 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:03 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:04 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:04 (twenty years ago) link
(x post)
(let me know what Johnny says, amateurist)
― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:05 (twenty years ago) link
Here is the latest script that has been offered to me. Please inform me Classic or Dud within the next seven days.
Yours,
J. Depp
― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:05 (twenty years ago) link
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― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:12 (twenty years ago) link
http://www.monesi.com/sergio/movies/feb99/fearlasvegas3.jpg
NED DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THAT ED WOOD BULLSHIT.
― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:14 (twenty years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:15 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:19 (twenty years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:21 (twenty years ago) link
i mean it's serviceable, it moves the story along, but it's totally overdetermined. this style is fine for character actors, and in fact preferable for small partswe don't want the will, vulnerability, and relaxed humanity of the cab-driver to distract us too much from the scenic goals of our protagonist, for instance, we want him to do that cab driver thing he does so we can get on with the storywhich is why I really think Depp is a very good character actor stuck inside the cheekbones of a leading man.
It was perfect for "Fear and Loathing" because Hunter S. Thompson has neither vulnerability nor humanity.
(I think Sweet and Lowdown was something of a one-off for Penn, he usually doesn't lose himself like that. I bet he shudders when he sees it.)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:23 (twenty years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:28 (twenty years ago) link
How can you say that Ed Wood's "will" was lost in the role Tracer? That performance was all will!
But I thought Sean Penn was great in Sweet and Lowdown. I don't think that the depiction of a certain particular kind of humanity is neccessary for a movie; naturalistic acting is of course just as much of a style as Depp's mannered approach.
― s1utsky (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:29 (twenty years ago) link
Not enough people up in here are talking about his performance in Fear and Loathing which I must say was totally righteous and wonderful (as someone who's witnessed The Hunter Thompson Show firsthand). It probably helps that he actually, y'know, knows Hunter Thompson and has been around him and stuff. This is not an advantage he had making Sleepy Hollow.
Plus he's one of the only rock-stars-in-a-band where the band wasn't half-bad (although it helped that 2 of the 4 members came from Butthole Surfers).
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:29 (twenty years ago) link
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:30 (twenty years ago) link
not to be a prick but I could've sworn this was my idea.
Johnny Depp is an excellent actor. He's not my favorite though. My favorite actor is R2-D2.
― Millar (Millar), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:32 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 15 July 2003 19:32 (twenty years ago) link
I had only just seen this, but previously I’d seen Nicole Bedera (who studies and writes about sexual violence) tweeting about the phenomenon of female dv survivors supporting Depp and she wrote this piece about it before the verdict.
To understand this, it’s crucial to remember that survivors are not a monolith. Perpetrators do not select victims based on their political beliefs, and experiencing violence is not always a radicalizing event for women. In fact, one of the reasons violence is such a powerful tool in maintaining the patriarchy is that it reinforces traditional gender norms. This is especially true for women who already hold traditional gender values themselves.In my own work, I have interviewed a lot of conservative survivors. They are quick to insist I should believe them, but not other victims, especially if those victims fail to meet white feminine ideals like chastity or subservience to men’s authority. Once, a conservative participant in my research emailed me a Jordan Peterson video and urged me to join in his argument that most survivors were promiscuous women who regretted participating in hook-up culture. To her, the injustice of her sexual assault wasn’t a loss of bodily autonomy but rather that a woman like her—a white conservative who had followed the rules—was the one violated. Disbelieving other victims did not conflict with her own narrative of victimization. In fact, she felt righteous in her anger that other women’s stories of sexual assault threatened her credibility.
― gyac, Friday, 3 June 2022 18:31 (two years ago) link
Also saw a comment on ontd that I had been thinking about a lot:
andrea dworkin did not get everything right, but she was dead-on when she said "many women, i think, resist feminism because it is an agony to be fully conscious of the brutal misogyny which permeates culture, society, and all personal relationships”
― gyac, Friday, 3 June 2022 18:37 (two years ago) link
This is one of the few sane discussion spaces on this trial I have seen. The “recommended” memes I see on Instagram that purport to prove Amber’s lies are simply ghoulish. To me it just looks like a person in distress people are being invited to laugh at. And the more I dig into this case, the clearer it becomes that the whole defamation suit was just another form of abuse—a violent drug addict blaming someone else for all of his problems instead of taking accountability, and vengefully deciding to make his ex the most hated woman in America.
I take two things away from it.
1.) This is a backlash to metoo. People were waiting for a “female abuser” to pounce on and demonize in order to discredit the narrative that male violence and harassment is a problem. Almost like a scapegoat. Her guilt or innocence was secondary to the function she served for people as a way to attack feminism.
2.) People are much worse judges of character than they think they are. People don’t find Amber Heard likable, she conforms to some archetype they have in their mind of the “scheming woman,” so they just adapt their understanding of the case to this impression without trying to figure out what happened. She “seems fake” and that is enough for people to decide she wasn’t a victim and should be punished for claiming to be.
3.) I hate what American society is or has become. There was a sadism to this trial that feels increasingly like a prevalent in American life. It was always there but there isn’t even a polite facade now. This poor woman was literally tortured by the American media. I was in Charleston this weekend and there were tons of novelty shops selling pro-Depp and anti-Heard t-shirts.
― treeship., Tuesday, 7 June 2022 11:29 (one year ago) link
thank you gyac, that is a very good piece.
― braised cod, Tuesday, 7 June 2022 11:37 (one year ago) link
She was held to a way higher standard than Depp. Inconsistencies in her testimony were considered evidence that she was “bad,” fundamentally. Reports of drunken violence on Depp’s part dating back decades were simply ignored.
― treeship., Tuesday, 7 June 2022 11:39 (one year ago) link
not to mention, people flocking to the 'this proves Amber was the abuser' narrative don't even understand that the trial was over fucking defamation, which, her losing at best means she fabricated some claims against him, not that she abused him, nor that he didn't abuse her.
(I really hope the appeal is successful, but not sure how likely that is? even if she does, though, the damage is already done and is going to be nigh impossible to reverse).
― Gymnopédie Pablo (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 13:19 (one year ago) link
(don't take that to mean I didn't believe her claims, I mean we all know the UK bench trial went very differently)
Legally, defamation means she willfully misrepresented the truth. To prove she did that in the WaPo article, which doesn’t mention Depp by name but simply refers to the fact that she was a victim of domestic violence, Depp’s lawyers would have had to prove with a “preponderance of evidence” that he *never* abused Heard. They absolutely did not demonstrate this. Their whole strategy was designed to cast her as an abuser and a liar. Which was not even really relevant. If she sincerely believed herself to be abused, even if the record showed a more complicated picture of mutual abuse, that wouldn’t rise to the level of defamation because she would not have been willfully and maliciously distorting the facts.
― treeship., Tuesday, 7 June 2022 13:31 (one year ago) link
the jury wasn't sequestered, were they? they probably arrived at their votes via TikTok
― Gymnopédie Pablo (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 13:34 (one year ago) link
thanks for the link, gyac
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 13:35 (one year ago) link
Also the timeline shows a pretty plausible story of an alcoholic relapsing and lashing out violently. Over time, it seems she became enraged by dealing with this and that is where they were able to drag up evidence that made her look bad. But all of that is irrelevant. If she believed his drinking and violence precipitated the hell their marriage became when she wrote the op-ed, she wasn’t committing defamation, she was sharing her perspective. He could have his own version of events and that is fine but hers doesn’t become defamatory because he sees the breakdown of their marriage in different terms. The bar for defamation is supposed to be high.
― treeship., Tuesday, 7 June 2022 13:36 (one year ago) link
Honestly this whole defamation trial just seemed like more abuse.
― treeship., Tuesday, 7 June 2022 13:38 (one year ago) link
It’s also hard for me to disentangle the sadistic misogyny on display all over social media with the mass shootings that took place this week. It all forms a part of a really fucked up culture where people are seeking targets for their inarticulate rage.
― treeship., Tuesday, 7 June 2022 13:41 (one year ago) link
Johnny Depp fans paid $3k to unseal the court documents just to get dirt on Amber, but ended up unintentionally exposing Depp and information he tried to keep private instead. A thread 🧵🪡 pic.twitter.com/NzH8eD1yJI— chateau bunny (@cocainecross) July 30, 2022
― groovypanda, Sunday, 31 July 2022 10:40 (one year ago) link
An interesting (?) resolution to this case:- settled by Heard (she was going through the appeal process with some very high profile 1st amendment lawyers and the case was thought to be strong)- only has to pay $1m but is free to speak ???- the resolution threads two themes that you see in a lot of cases like this: she was being put through the ringer financially and subject to such grotesque harassment that this is the result
Amber Heard settles with Johnny Depp and speaks out: "I will not be threatened, disheartened, or dissuaded by what happened from speaking the truth. No one can and no one will take that from me. My voice forever remains the most valuable asset I have." https://t.co/m6xTr4nwJA— Variety (@Variety) December 19, 2022
My heart goes out to Amber Heard as she has made the decision to settle the defamation lawsuit against her by her abusive vindictive ex-husband, Johnny Depp. He and his team used misogyny, victim blaming, and lies to further abuse her on the stand. I hope she heals from this… pic.twitter.com/DdCKpQnVSu— 𝝠sh (@starfallgoddess) December 19, 2022
― bit high, bitch (gyac), Monday, 19 December 2022 20:56 (one year ago) link
Heartbreaking, the worst person you know, etc
The Sun is still calling him a violent wife-beater. #CannesYouNot pic.twitter.com/ePVgLq7CgP— Xandra 39 (@carriecalista) May 19, 2023
― Everybody's gonna get what they got coming (gyac), Friday, 19 May 2023 17:16 (one year ago) link
fuck Johnny Depp
― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Friday, 19 May 2023 19:36 (one year ago) link
and Cannes for that matter.
hate teh stupid 'narrative' that won out thanks to Depp's abusive legal tactics
― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Friday, 19 May 2023 19:37 (one year ago) link