Correct me but I thought she and Susan Collins had merged into one bipartisan senator...?
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
Intrade Obama re-election is at $6.14. $3.86 profit if he wins - I really wish I had money to plow into betting on the election.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
Let Morbs be your bookie.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
I dunno about that Perlstein piece - he's right in terms of the legislative/negotiation process and how the GOP gets to move the goalposts to the right. Obama on the campaign trail, however, is all too fond of calling out republican ideology as extreme, painting the Democratic party as different etc. It may all just be empty rhetoric, but he does do it.
― Artful Dodderer (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 22:48 (twelve years ago) link
so it's sort of a mixed bag. The GOP is also destroying itself by demanding this ideological purity, so it's not like it's a game they can just play forever - it's crippling them legislatively (they can't pass anything) and they are going to lose the next Prez election.
― Artful Dodderer (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
god that UAW clip is amazing portent of things to come, Romney does not have a fucking prayer.
― Artful Dodderer (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
(morbz)
talk is cheap
(/morbz)
― der Truthahn des Giftes (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
good fucking riddance olympia snowe
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 22:59 (twelve years ago) link
^^^
maybe they will just elect a Democrat now
― Artful Dodderer (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 23:03 (twelve years ago) link
I got one in mind from Cabot Cove
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RlrfqB2ofg4/TfsLnL2nm4I/AAAAAAAABIU/zvTJF4o-OfY/s1600/Jessica%2BFletcher.JPG
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 23:06 (twelve years ago) link
they can get pretty teabaggy in Maine, though, amirite?!?
― der Truthahn des Giftes (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/maine-partisan-candidate-filing-deadlines-are-march-15th
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 23:16 (twelve years ago) link
Elect Stephen King, that'd be amusing.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 23:17 (twelve years ago) link
basically Dems and GOP will likely just be trading Nelson's seat for Snowe's
― Artful Dodderer (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
stephen king would have a pretty good chance at that seat if he really wanted it
― iatee, Tuesday, 28 February 2012 23:22 (twelve years ago) link
But in a more neutral political environment, and in a federal race, Democrats will be heavy favorites to steal this seat from Republicans — their best pickup opportunity in the country, for sure.
when did jho start writing for the wapo
― ploppawheelie V (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 28 February 2012 23:24 (twelve years ago) link
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/02/obama-on-fire-in-michigan.html
― face depalma (stevie), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 14:05 (twelve years ago) link
oh no somebody put him out quick!!
― flagp∞st (dayo), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 14:09 (twelve years ago) link
John Cole points out the contrast between this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xlRC0nsjtKQ
and the conservative reaction:
http://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/anassholesayswhat.jpg
― A Full Torgo Apparition (Phil D.), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 14:24 (twelve years ago) link
the article is pretty revolting too
http://cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/sex-crazed-co-eds-going-broke-buying-birth-control-student-tells-pelosi-hearing
sex crazed, you say, craig?
― goole, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 14:54 (twelve years ago) link
Excellent slut shaming in that; whether she had sex once in a cycle or 84 times, the cost would remain the same.
― pareilles à celles auxquelles l'étiquette de la cour assujettit (Michael White), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 15:09 (twelve years ago) link
But in his mind she should be buying condoms on the free market, a few at a time; so it would not cost the same
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/republican-strategy
If the Republicans retake the Senate next year and have the opportunity to pass major legislation, I think it very likely they'll get rid of the filibuster, or pare it back in some complicated way that pertains to the issues they consider important. There's nothing in the constitution about needing to have 60 votes in the Senate. Democrats would have been better able to accomplish their agenda in 2009 and 2010 if they'd scrapped the filibuster, but they're too fragmented and hesitant to make those kinds of aggressive rule changes. Republicans have tighter party discipline, and the tea-party wing hates complex Washington rules that prevent the people's will from being done. I don't really see what's going to stop the GOP from making the changes they need to pass their agenda with a simple majority, if that's what they need to do.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
nah the filibuster is probably the single most valuable thing to the republican party for the foreseeable future, the post-obama gop isn't gonna forget how valuable it's been
― iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
^^^^
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
i can convince myself either way on that one. whatever is in their way in a given minute turns into the greatest threat to freedom ever p quickly.
but since their deal is and increasingly will be about change prevention i think iatee is probably right.
― goole, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
change prevention not including taking a wrecking ball to the EPA there?
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
gutting the epa wouldn't be worth risking the kinda things democrats could do when they got 51 senators again
― iatee, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
Sure sure I agree, I'm just saying that they're talking a lot of change, even if it's just muddleheaded change 'back'.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
words cannot express my joy at this announcement
― Artful Dodderer (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
^^^represented the district I grew up in the entire time I lived there
hey look a nazi
http://oaklawn.patch.com/articles/republican-congressional-candidate-says-holocaust-never-happened#c
― goole, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
lol I really thought you would be exaggerating
― Vaseline MEN AMAZING JOURNEY (DJP), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
I hate Illinois Nazis.
― Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
Isn't that where George Lincoln Rockwell was from?
― pareilles à celles auxquelles l'étiquette de la cour assujettit (Michael White), Wednesday, 29 February 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
turns out not. still, tarfumes otm
anyway, shit. brown over warrren by 10
http://hotlineoncall.nationaljournal.com/archives/2012/02/new-poll-shows-2.php
― goole, Thursday, 1 March 2012 14:51 (twelve years ago) link
maybe it's for the best. i've been getting really concerned that senator warren would be a disappointment at best and a disaster at worst. not to mention she's been doing some serious rmde concern-trolling lately w/ her email blast about how ted kennedy's name shouldn't be used in deference to the family.
― Mordy, Thursday, 1 March 2012 14:54 (twelve years ago) link
Just curious how she would be a "disaster", and does that mean worse than Brown?
Lots of folks in Massachusetts had never heard of her until recently it seems:
Warren's visibility has climbed. Among a broader sample of 500 residents, 40 percent in October said they had never heard of her; that number fell to 22 in the recent survey. Her favorable ratings moved in smaller increments, from 28 percent to 40 percent.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 1 March 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
there is no 'maybe it's for the best' when it comes to losing a senate seat in the most liberal state in the country
― iatee, Thursday, 1 March 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
*sigh*
― be scientific, douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 March 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link
Yep, read about that in tpm . Amazing
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
offending e-mail/joke already in the "Is this racist?" thread
― be scientific, douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 March 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
pretty much i agree w/ the argument put forth here:http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/07/why-liberals-are-lame-part-3-why-a-warren-run-for-senate-is-a-bad-idea.html
i think warren is a unique talent and I worry that she'll be wasted, and maybe permanently so, if she becomes senator.
― Mordy, Thursday, 1 March 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
i pretty much don't agree with that at all. i like yves smith plenty but i don't think her political acumen is all that
― goole, Thursday, 1 March 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
I'm no Cap'n Save Obama but I found a lot of generalizations in that piece. Besides, if we mean utility I prefer Warren in the Senate, in which she'll have a modicum of influence, than outside kicking against the Obama pricks.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 March 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I think a reliably left wing and well-spoken senator (in one of the only states where that's 'safe') is worth more than some symbolic figure. she will have plenty of political independence as a senator and gets about as much camera time as she wants.
― iatee, Thursday, 1 March 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link
Frankly, in an era of anti-contraception, anti-choice fervor, another woman in the Senate canot but be an excellent thing if no other reason than to publicly shame some of the shitheads presently therein.
― pareilles à celles auxquelles l'étiquette de la cour assujettit (Michael White), Thursday, 1 March 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
Name a progressive Senator who has been able to do much to champion progressive ideas there? Sanders? Franken? Whitehouse? Sherrod Brown? I love all those guys, and like Sanders and especially Franken, Warren would presumably be able to leverage her public support to push some ideas through. But are any of them more effective at championing progressive values than Warren was before her White House gig, when she regularly appeared on the media and excoriated the banks in terms that made sense to real people?
I do not agree with this. There is strength in congressional numbers, that could help all those named folks, plus I don't think the comparison between their prior effectiveness and hers conveys how effective she would be in the future if elected.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 1 March 2012 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
Warren would presumably be able to leverage her public support to push some ideas through. But are any of them more effective at championing progressive values than Warren was before her White House gig, when she regularly appeared on the media and excoriated the banks in terms that made sense to real people?
Classic bad political writing: mitigate the punch of your concession with a flabby adverb ("presumably") or pronoun ("some"), then follow it with a rhetorical question.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 March 2012 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
from an older article about why Brown is ahead:
Nearly two-thirds of independents also believe there is a benefit to having one Democratic and one Republican senator representing Massachusetts. As a whole, 60% of general election voters agreed that split party representation was beneficial.
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/17/news/la-pn-poll-scott-brown-leads-elizabeth-warren-in-massachusetts-20120217
I bet those same folks who like split party representation also complain that Congress is not getting anything done
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 1 March 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link