― Johnny B Was Quizzical (Johnney B), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:22 (seventeen years ago) link
Yeah all the advice I've read is pretty easy to follow - modify diet, eating habits, raise bed, take pills. I'm just being whiny b/c 'modify diet' means no cokes, chocolate, less dairy, alcohol, etc. argh! also, I think the lack of sleep is getting to me and I am irritated that my doctor just didn't fix me goddammit!
Beth, I have been exceeding the recomended "emergency" inhaler uses, which is why I went in yesterday. I was hoping she'd give me a nebulizer treatment, maybe a different steriod inhaler and I'd be on my way. But no, I have to stop drinking diet dr. peppers and margaritas if I want to sleep well. grr.
xpost, I might try that at night (or zantac) along with the preventive medicine she gave me (nexium).
― Ms. Misery TX (MissMiseryTX), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:27 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm still going to try and cut back on the bubbly. or start taking massive amounts of sedatives before bedtime.
― Ms. Misery TX (MissMiseryTX), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 13:43 (seventeen years ago) link
Probably all the sugar isn't helping. Try a less-sweet tipple. Not reflux, but I do get horrible insomnia if I drink too much wine at night, and if I eat dessert it's doubly bad. But I would never cut out drinking entirely. How bleak life would be! I just try to keep it to a reasonable amount. In social situations all caution is thrown to the wind, then I wake up at 3 or 4 AM with clenched jaw and racing heart, woe is me.
Sometimes I think doctors delight in forbidding all life's pleasures. You need to find a doctor who's a two-fisted drinker him/herself. Or be honest with them that you're NOT GOING TO STOP DRINKING COFFEE AND ALCOHOL. Then he/she will get real with the advice.
― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 14:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― timmy tannin (pompous), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 14:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― schwantz (schwantz), Tuesday, 1 August 2006 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 11:30 (seventeen years ago) link
Anyway, it sounds like you've got a serious case (there have only been three for four times in my rich history with acid reflux that I've not been able to sleep because of it) so before you try any alternative remedies, which would I advocate otherwise, maybe it's best to get this particular episode under control. Then you can see which foods trigger reflux in you and just avoid those. Chin up! It will be okay as soon as you address the immediate crisis.
*Or used to, anyway. Every once in awhile I would go a couple days without to see if I still needed it and normally that would result in searing pain but now I've not taken any in almost two weeks. That pretty much coincides with my having started back on Weight Watchers and having stopped eating... refined sugars and carbs. YMMV, of course.
― Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 11:46 (seventeen years ago) link
Oh and I'm going to check out the aloe thing - I don't like taking lots of pills if I can help it. Thanks friend.
― Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 11:50 (seventeen years ago) link
The Secret Ingredient: RAW, LIQUID HONEY – Raw honey in liquid form is really what helps get rid of your heartburn for good. We suggest taking 1 tsp. of raw liquid honey any time you begin to feel discomfort of heartburn or acid reflux. You can also take the honey before bedtime, which will help soothe your esophagus and allow you to heal while you are sleeping.
Honey works fast, and it’s important that you use pure raw honey. (This is the most common type of honey you’ll find at the grocery store – in liquid form… like in those “Honey Bear” plastic bottles, for example). Honey has long been known to fight bacteria, block infection, combat inflammation, reduce pain, and improve circulation. It also stimulates the regrowth of tissue – in fact, there are some people who claim a certain blend of bee powder and honey cures baldness!
8. The Other Secret Ingredient: APPLE CIDER VINEGAR (ACV) – Did you know that most acid reflux is actually caused by too LITTLE acid in your stomach? This makes sense when you think about how it works. If your stomach isn’t producing enough acid to digest your food, then more food (and gas) will stay in your stomach for longer periods of time… without getting properly digested. So, since Apple Cider Vinegar is so acidic, it immediately starts digesting the food in your stomach and eases your heartburn very quickly. Please note – some people have reflux because of too much acid. If this is your case, then the Apple Cider Vinegar will probably not help you. If you currently take medications that are acid blockers, you probably have too much acid already. If you don’t know, please consult with your doctor.
How much Apple Cider Vinegar should you use?First of all, it won’t take very much at all. One or two “swigs” should do it (one or two teaspoons). You’ll probably feel a slight burning sensation for maybe 5 seconds, but then it should go away and you’ll notice almost immediate relief. And it should keep you relieved for days at a time.
Another tip is to try and get the best apple cider vinegar you can – we recommend you find some at a health food store, not the cheap Heinz brand found at grocery stores. Some grocery stores will have the good kind – you’ll know it when you see it. The Bragg brand has worked really well, and it usually costs less than US$5.00. But if you don’t find Bragg or another organic APPLE CIDER VINEGAR brand, Heinz should work better than nothing.
Honey and Apple Cider Vinegar together should help you tremendously! We recommend trying just the honey first. If that doesn’t work, try adding some honey to two or three teaspoons of APPLE CIDER VINEGAR in a cup of hot water. If that doesn’t work, try using the APPLE CIDER VINEGAR straight – one swig at a time. The taste of APPLE CIDER VINEGAR isn’t very good, but it should help you get rid of your reflux/heartburn
― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 11:56 (seventeen years ago) link
you must get a good organic vinegar but any old honey works (in my experience).
― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 11:59 (seventeen years ago) link
Did you know that most acid reflux is actually caused by too LITTLE acid in your stomach? This makes sense when you think about how it works. If your stomach isn’t producing enough acid to digest your food, then more food (and gas) will stay in your stomach for longer periods of time… without getting properly digested. So, since Apple Cider Vinegar is so acidic, it immediately starts digesting the food in your stomach and eases your heartburn very quickly.
― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 12:01 (seventeen years ago) link
Famotidine (Pepcid generic) is a wonder drug for me - one little guy before a big meal, and I'm good.
― Esquire, Bitch. (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 12:06 (seventeen years ago) link
I've gotten zantac and gaviscon to take while I wait for the nexium to kick in. I think I've got to figure out what in my diet causes problems and work on the no-eating before sleeping bit (last night I stupidly ate cupcakes around 9. doh)
― Ms. Misery TX (MissMiseryTX), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 12:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link
Haha, XP.
― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 14:35 (seventeen years ago) link
Now I'm trying to figure out if my kid has reflux! he's on baby zantac but I don't much like the idea of it.
― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link
What has helped, though:
** I've stopped taking rinatidine (I think it's the UK version of Prilosec) and started taking acidophilus pills twice a day -- the friendly bacteria -- they're good for replacing the "good" acids, like cider vinegar. Incidentally also v. helpful for candida and thrush. It's probably not as effective as prilosec, but stops me feeling like I'm a medicine jar.
** I can eat spicy foods and even drink coffee (although I use a lot of milk to cut the acidity) AND beer (! but never orange juice gah) but a slice of cake will have me gobbling the Prilosec for a couple of days afterwards.
Yeah -- it's stupid of me, but I'm just NOT willing to give up cafferine and alcohol. However, cakes/biscuits/choc/prefab sliced white bread aren't so difficult to cut down on -- and they're much worse on my reflux than booze and coffee anyway.
** Avoid citrus fruits and juices, esp. tomato, orange and the supermarket ones with added sugar. If you're bored of drinking water, pick up some sugar-free pomegranate or cranberry juice from a natural food store. (They're much tastier, too, imo.)
** Yoghurt is awesome, especially kefir or any other live bacteria-containing pot. Again, go for plain without sugar, and add your own fruity accompaniment.
― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 15:33 (seventeen years ago) link
** And belches! I only get a certain, froggy type of belch when my reflux is bad. When I'm not getting those belches, it's a good sign that it's getting better.
― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 15:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link
gaviscon works for a while then just exacerbates the problem.
WAH? I sure as fuck hope not! I have it again (second pregnancy). I hatehateHATE it. I've been sipping on Gaviscon like mad. :-( Just small sips really, cause I hate the taste of it. *sigh*
― nathalie, Friday, 24 August 2007 09:30 (sixteen years ago) link
elevating the head of the bed is meant to help quite a lot. fuck knows how I'm supposed to do that though.
― Ronan, Friday, 24 August 2007 09:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Andrews is the best, I find.
― nate woolls, Friday, 24 August 2007 09:46 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't have a "horrible burning" in my throat, but an annoying / scratchy tickliness for the last 8-10 weeks. ENT doctor suspects GERD and its ilk, so I have been prescribed an antibotic and a nasal spray.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 7 August 2008 17:18 (fifteen years ago) link
I have to stop drinking diet dr. peppers and margaritas if I want to sleep well.
heh, I just had a Diet Dr Pepper as a caffeine substitute!
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 7 August 2008 17:20 (fifteen years ago) link
wait whats gerd
― Surmounter, Thursday, 7 August 2008 17:22 (fifteen years ago) link
why did he give you a nasal spray and antibiotics for gerd?
are you sure he doesn't reckon you have allergies/sinus problems?
― Ronan, Thursday, 7 August 2008 17:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Gastro Esophagal Reflux Disorder
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Thursday, 7 August 2008 17:27 (fifteen years ago) link
And yea - antibiotics?
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Thursday, 7 August 2008 17:28 (fifteen years ago) link
That hasn't been ruled out, Ronan.... sorry, I guess the antibiotic IS the nasal spray, the other drug is Nexium.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 7 August 2008 17:31 (fifteen years ago) link
I've been sick for about 3 years with some combination of either sinus probs or gerd, never properly diagnosed, just was interested to see them connected I guess.
― Ronan, Thursday, 7 August 2008 17:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Ronan, did you ever try that thing with the apple cider vinegar and honey?
― jed_, Thursday, 7 August 2008 18:39 (fifteen years ago) link
I've never heard of using nasal spray for GERD. do you have a chronic cough or something?
― Granny Dainger, Thursday, 7 August 2008 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link
No. Will an occasional stabbing pain in my throat do?
Haha, my HMO won't cover Nexium! Time for OTC; that's America, you & me.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 7 August 2008 18:50 (fifteen years ago) link
Eh, acid reflux is the worst. one of the downsides to pregnancy for sure. I feel for you guys (who suffer from it permanently). :-(
― stevienixed, Thursday, 7 August 2008 20:05 (fifteen years ago) link
I had this only once, it happened when I took some antibiotics before bed that didn't agree with me. woke up in the middle of the night feeling like my chest was on fire. I had it pretty bad - I seriously thought I was having a heart attack. swallowing food was so painful it nearly doubled me over. unfortunately I left for vacation to new orleans that week, so I spent several days in the food capital of the south with a painful aversion to eating anything. but big ups to the prilosec, that helped.
― Edward III, Thursday, 7 August 2008 20:16 (fifteen years ago) link
Ronan btw you elevate the head of the bed by putting bricks under the two bedposts at the head - just a slight elevation does the trick
I still have this, it sucks, I don't take care of it unless I'm at work/on tour, the amount of health problems that start stacking up at one point if you've always treated yourself rather roughly is exactly as intense as they always said it'd be
― J0hn D., Thursday, 7 August 2008 20:40 (fifteen years ago) link
see I haven't had this burning awful pain y'all are describing, but the ENT doc said this can happen w/out even noticeable heartburn.
OIn the bright side, my bed elevation was askew to begin with.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 7 August 2008 21:30 (fifteen years ago) link
No actually Jed I must give it a go. Kind of one of those things I've been meaning to try out. I've been drinking Aloe Vera juice (mixed with water or normal juice) a bit lately, that seems to have helped me feel a little better, though can't be sure.
It's weird with me, reflux seems part of other probs, I don't often get that mad painful form of it, but I do find myself swallowing mucus/acid fucking incessantly, like until my throat is just fucked. Constant frog in throat etc.
I only have two bricks is my problem for bed elevation! Where do I rob some bricks? (I also need to elevate my monitors, to avoid bass reflux affecting neighbours)
― Ronan, Friday, 8 August 2008 11:37 (fifteen years ago) link
fuck a gerd, seriously
― amateurist, Friday, 8 August 2008 15:26 (fifteen years ago) link
I prefer to think of it as "the gerd." As in, "I need to be careful what I eat today. I have a touch of the gerd."
I had an attack of this yesterday and again this morning, disallowing me from finishing breakfast. Extreme, frightening pain in my neck, throat, and lower sinuses that there seems to be no stopping once it's started. Nothing to do but sit there and experience the unique sensation of my esophagus being burned away by stomach acid, as my mouth waters uncontrollably, my sinuses drip desperately, and tears roll down my face. Good times.
― kenan, Monday, 21 December 2009 18:11 (fourteen years ago) link
most the meds for this are over the counter now
― bnw, Monday, 21 December 2009 18:24 (fourteen years ago) link
nexium still beats all tho
― Herodcare for the Unborn (J0hn D.), Monday, 21 December 2009 18:25 (fourteen years ago) link
I take one prilosec (otc) every morning and my heart burn is gone
― born loser (CaptainLorax), Monday, 21 December 2009 18:43 (fourteen years ago) link
i used to get this when i was a kid/teenager. i didn't really know what it was or that i could just like take a tums and it would go away. I would just lay there awake half the night thinking i was dying.
― gastro pub n' tug (carne asada), Monday, 21 December 2009 18:48 (fourteen years ago) link
I used to get this ALL the time. It was undoubtedly caused by the extremely poor diet during law school, the excessive consumption of beer and my smoking.
All of which have been changed, so my Acid Reflux ain't around no mo'.
― Clerk all KNOWIN (B.L.A.M.), Monday, 21 December 2009 19:01 (fourteen years ago) link
i found prilosec is a good short term way of settling the heartburn (2 week short course then dont use it again for at least 3 months) - during the 2 weeks work on weeding out your flare up foods. once youre off the prilosec, see how you go with yr reworked diet & kinda go from there
but srsly do not be afraid to go to prilosec, it is worth it just so you can feel normalish & not stressed abt yr gut
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 18 July 2015 22:35 (eight years ago) link
I used to have raging acid reflux which basically disappeared once I started taking anti anxiety meds.. Im not sure if theres 100% correlation according to science(tm) but Im happy about it
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Sunday, 19 July 2015 00:39 (eight years ago) link
I take Omeprazole once a day. Works a treat. You can buy it over the counter but luckily I get it on prescription (free as i live in a nice country)
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Sunday, 19 July 2015 00:53 (eight years ago) link
i have been fighting with a burning (sore) throat from when i stopped smoking in 2008 until now. it took me a while to find out that it was an acidity problem but it has been confirmed with a 24h ph test which i initiated. the doctors are not interested in my case. i usually wak up around three in the morning, i rarely sleep more than three hours in one piece. my life has become a nightmare and the doctors tell me that medical insurance does not pay for this as it is a disturbance of wwell-being. what a bunch of incompetent ass-holes. they have no idea what this does to you. the thing is it never really stops, it is always there in the back-ground, it gnaws at me night and day. it makes me aggresssive. the last gastro guy i saw - he made a gastroscopy where i almost threw up, he said everything was fine, no cancer or inflammation etc. - told me i should do a behavioural therapy. there is something very rotten in medicine if they dare to suggest you something similar when you have a real physcal problem. they do not look at your whole body, only at the parts of it, they treat you like a machine. they think nothing has to do with nothing when it is the opposite, everything has to do with everything. the reflux with the insomnia with the inflammation of the tooth with the diarrhea with the inability to concentrate with the aggressivity etc. what to do against this? i have tried so many things, a diet, sleeping with the upper body higher than the rest of the body. not eating late at night etc.. nothing really works. except chewing gum and fasting. and walking long distances. if this goes on i will restart smoking in 2018. i am not going to wait for more than ten years. i did not have this shit when i smoked. i was happier then.
― Alex in Spree-Athen (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 8 May 2017 21:44 (seven years ago) link
omeprazol for one month did absolutely nothing. nada. zero. null.
― Alex in Spree-Athen (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 8 May 2017 21:45 (seven years ago) link
same with pantoprozol.
― Alex in Spree-Athen (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 8 May 2017 21:48 (seven years ago) link
it's a long shot but I had some success with a supplement called d-limonene
take 1 after evening meal. it seems to coat the esophagus somehow idk but helped me get some decent nights sleep after a few days of taking it
not a longterm solution but maybe helpful idk
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 8 May 2017 22:43 (seven years ago) link
I'm about to go back to omeprazol after over 18 months of avoiding it. I'm tired of being bloated.
but I def did get relief from d-limonene for a while, that's not a lie.
― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 8 May 2017 23:30 (seven years ago) link
i'm sorry to hear you're having a rough go of this, and sorry your doctors sound shitty
omeprazole and pantoprazole are drugs of the same class. when i used to work as a pharmacist i noticed doctors would try one after another in the same patient, a practice that baffled me. now that i've been to medical school i can't say i understand it any better. have you tried twice a day dosing? that is usually the next step after once a day dosing fails
it seems as though you've been seen by an array of docs, including a GI doc, so there's not much advice i can give you that you haven't probably already heard. lifestyle and dietary interventions do tend to work well in my experience, but not for everyone. losing weight almost always helps, if that is applicable in your case. coffee, spicy foods, soda, and fatty foods are often implicated, though the effects are individual-dependent -- thus the usual recommendation is typically to avoid whatever happens to trigger your episodes. chewing gum, or sucking on hard candy (anything that increases saliva flow) tends to help as well, as you've found. peppermint is often overlooked -- it actually causes the sphincter connecting your stomach and esophagus to open, increasing the likelihood of reflux. elevating the bed often helps for nocturnal symptoms,
i can't imagine you havent tried an H2 blocker yet, but nighttime dosing of an H2 blocker like famotidine or ranitidine is often useful (though the effects tend to wear off after a couple of months)
best of luck
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 9 May 2017 00:01 (seven years ago) link
I had pretty bad reflux and wouldn't leave the house without ranitidine in case something triggered it. It kinda went away after a combination of that + seeing a therapist/psychiatrist and taking lexapro/welbutrin. I was scared the reflux would come back when I stopped taking lexapro, et al once I got off that stuff a couple months ago but so far so good.. Not sure if this advice is useful but good luck man. Not a fun problem to have.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 00:07 (seven years ago) link
What does the medical establishment think about aloe?
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 00:12 (seven years ago) link
can't say i've ever heard of it used for reflux (though i'm sure some use it). can confirm that it is yummy
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 9 May 2017 00:18 (seven years ago) link
A woman I worked with years ago told me that she took it every day for reflux and then when my partner had a bout of reflux, I tried it. I mixed aloe gel and a little not-super-acidic fruit juice (guava or peach iirc) and he drank it every morning for a week or two. No more reflux, but I wondered maybe it was placebo?
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 00:22 (seven years ago) link
Thanks for the recommendations, I will try an H2 blocker and aloe. I can confirm the problem with peppermint. For a long time I avoided chewing gum as after chewing the reflux got worse. Then I discovered it was the peppermint flavour. Now I chew a gum with lemon taste which works fine against the reflux. Higher doses of omeprazole did not change anything. Right now I am taking riopan whenever the reflux gets insupportable. Not sure if it works but it seems to calm me down a little.
― Alex in Spree-Athen (alex in mainhattan), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 05:01 (seven years ago) link
woke up yet again choking on vomit, cos I stupidly ate late at night and didn't sleep on an incline. always fun. happens 4-5 times per year.
guess another endoscopy is in the cards (had one ten years ago)
― Gymnopédie Pablo (Neanderthal), Thursday, 2 June 2022 13:03 (one year ago) link
I was going to make a dumb joke and say that I though that this was an ILM thread. Sorry Neanderthal, hope you feel better.
― THE VEIVET UIUERABOUIU (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 2 June 2022 15:06 (one year ago) link
Lol the capitalization made me think the same at first
― Gymnopédie Pablo (Neanderthal), Thursday, 2 June 2022 15:47 (one year ago) link
happened again Monday morning in the middle of my sleep (for same stupid reason as before - overeating right before sleep). this time, I don't know that I was successful clearing everything (a first). i was clearing stuff from lungs all day.
had a fever of over 100 all day, no other symptoms - possibly due to dehydration, or presence of foreign material in lungs, idk. went away immediately and permanently after I got a normal night's sleep and hydrated profusely. did the usual COVID tests, not that, and today I feel normal other than occasionally coughing up residual gunk. everything I can read suggests that if my respiratory system is fine, this type of minor aspiration should clear up in a day or two rather than become pneumonia.
anybody else had this happen? naturally, in my situation, I have to make sure ER visits are truly necessary before I make them, as it would require my brother to take FMLA leave to back me up w/ the folks.
― fentanyl young (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 January 2023 17:24 (one year ago) link
I have never had anything quite like that or anything remotely approaching pneumonia myself. I don't know if this is your situation, but my (US HMO) healthcare provider has phone consultation and often non ER appointments available in a few days.
FWIW as embarassing as it is I do mostly sleep on a wedge anymore. Recently in another thread I was praising the effects of (non peppermint) gum and slippery elm tea, which fortunately has almost nullified any symptoms (after about 8 years)
― fajita seas, Monday, 16 January 2023 22:25 (one year ago) link
I'm all better now. Definitely not eating late anymore. Yikes
― fentanyl young (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 January 2023 03:49 (one year ago) link