2008 Primaries Thread

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wtf I don't get how that's an "inappropriate" joke at all

http://www.duke.edu/~tmc/motherpage/covers_gcpfas/cov-paintwhitehouseblack.gif

shakey are you serious

I dunno, maybe. depends on who said it and how it was said, I guess.

he's just the first guy to get called out for a joke everyone's already thought of but then decided not to tell because it's a dumb, unfunny joke.

everyone, huh

yes. even george clinton.

but feel free to interpret my offhand remark through the narrow lens of dull literalism if you wish.

lolz

Edwards made his bed - http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/064006.php

Rielle-ty bites.

judge tosses whiny vegas lawsuit, Bill gets testy about it, and Leahy pimps Obama. This might be enough Omentum to push him through NV and SC.

YesYesYes -- Huckabee Pulls Even With McCain in South Carolina

Best primary season ever.

This is a fun one.

Feingold on Edwards. Pretty much sums up the reasons I can't understand anyone wasting their time/money/vote on him:

Voted for the Patriot Act, campaigns against it. Voted for No Child Left Behind, campaigns against it. Voted for the China trade deal, campaigns against it. Voted for the Iraq war... he uses my voting record exactly as his platform, even though he had the opposite voting record.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/01/carl_bernstein_weve_got_the_hi.html

xp: cuz he might've changed, and might be able to beat McCain.

are you calling him electable?

Edwards v. Romney might be fun. Who will flip-flop fastest? Who will pander most? Who has better hair?

Sadly, won't happen.

half of the electorate thinks he's a big phony (edwards I mean)

They don't know him like we do.

half hate Rodham's guts, so he's at least even there.

Bill's outburst about the lawsuit = classic Clinton sliminess

so someone posted a week or 2 ago that McCain wd be toast in November because he's so wrong on the "#1 issue," Iraq. Well, it's almost universally agreed now that the economy is #1 -- maybe because everyone realizes that NO ONE in this cluster of losers is getting us out by 2013 -- and, if David Brooks ain't lying, McC carried voters who disagree with him on the war in NH and Michigan, and lost Repubs who agree with him. Be afraid.

nah I always figured McCain would be toast because Republicans in general don't like him. Which is reflected in the polls and in the primary voting patterns.

The rules that constrain other men,
mean nothing to McCain.
The punches that bring pain to other men,
mean nothing to McCain.
McCain!
McCain!
McCain!

CW would have it that rise of economy as issue translates to increased support for Romney

rather than the guy who recently said he doesn't know much about economics

I always figured McCain would be toast because Republicans in general don't like him. Which is reflected in the polls and in the primary voting patterns.

From your lips to GOP primary voters' ears.

Chris Matthews is sorry he's such an asshole

...being careful not to say "I'm sorry" or "I apologize."

exactly

I really hate him and he may not be wrong at all this time

wtf comments

"Hillary Rodham...Smith.... would not be elected to anything. She is just not that good of a politician on her own. This is not taking into account her marxist-neoconservative ideology for a moment which certainly would not help either."

marxist neoconservative?

Irving Kristol?

Allan Bloom?

you can figure this one out shakey

Edwards staying in the race helps Obama. Anti-CW, I suppose, but it's true.

Anti-CW, I suppose, but it's true.

i'd take exception to both poles of that sentence, potentially. i think the CW is that no one knows where edwards supporters go, and that it's right. sure, he could be spoiling hillary's great white victory party in the South. but is an obama nomination conditioned upon his winning a couple of red state primaries via the black vote (an argument that echoes with the new hillary campaign line that obama is the 'black candidate' a la jesse and al before him rather than the consensus political star like her hubby that he appeared to be after iowa) rather than the big pieces in the delegate pie? i don't think so. maybe a few people in NY and CA and IL are for Edwards because he's the conservative-seeming union man, but those folks tend to go with the party standard-bearer and have already realized who's the loser and who's the winner in that race this time around, and thus I think they've already realigned to Hillary as reflected in polls. to the extent people in those states are still sticking with edwards at this point, though, i think there's a decent chance it's for ideological reasons - they're for the angrier leftmost dude. which isn't to say they'd realign automatically to obama. a fair number of people on the left seem to distrust him on ideological or attitudinal or even constitutional (not the document) grounds (david brooks in the times today mentioned people who reject candidates because they remind them of someone they didn't like in high school). and hillary might pick off some of them with her aura-of-inevitability pivoting towards attacking bush more vocally, and her hillary=change and no-difference-on-iraq neutralizing. but i don't think you can just assume that she would win a majority of his supporters.

i think there are a fair number of people who are for edwards because of his hair because he's a compromise in a sense between the other two - he talks left and is demographically right, he's young but not that young, he's not 'of washington', but he's not 'inexperienced' either, he's not old news like hillary, but is less of a 'risk' than obama. if he's gone, these people could resign themselves to hillary, or take a chance on obama, and i wouldn't want to call which one. or maybe i'm naive, and these democrats just like white people.

guys, Obama wants to be a game-changing map-changer like Reagan who turned a whole generation/demographic onto his party by personality alone, he must be a secret neocon wingnut, amirite?

yeah that reaction was lols, but still kind of expected. like positively invoking reagan IN ANY WAY wasn't gonna provoke the kneejerks. It's also smacks of more obama seed-planting for the GE before the primary's over.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Huckabee_gave_speech_to_white_supremacists_0118.html

"is you is or is you ain't my constituency?"

romney won nevada. haha!

no surprise there - it's a caucus and they've got a coupla mormons out there. the real questions here are 1) can huckabee beat mccain in SC or come close, and 2) what happens in FL. if McCain's stll in solid 1st going into 2/5, this thing's over. if Huck or Romney are still threatening, we could be in it for the long haul. if romney manages to win FL, there's a chance momentum would swing enough mccain people his way that he could come out king on super tuesday, but that might be a stretch.

I want Rudy to be strong in FL and Thompson to make a good showing in SC so that nobody drops out and the GOP race stays crazy wide open for weeks