yeah italy is basically second to none in terms of sensationalist irresponsible media.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 8 October 2011 21:40 (twelve years ago) link
It's back
Amanda Knox faces retrial over Meredith Kercher murder
― Alba, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 09:49 (eleven years ago) link
Italy doesn't have anything prohibiting double jeopardy?
― how's life, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 09:59 (eleven years ago) link
The UK sacked it..
― Mark G, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 10:38 (eleven years ago) link
italy, everybody!
― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, October 5, 2011 11:56 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 14:15 (eleven years ago) link
this case refuses to die! i'm not gonna lie, might read the book.
― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Tuesday, 26 March 2013 14:17 (eleven years ago) link
will be a good book but this is nowhere near ready for publication
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 26 March 2013 14:49 (eleven years ago) link
Meanwhile Rudy Guede - who was *ALSO* convicted of the murder and is in prison for it - is eligible for parole in 2016. He could very well be out before they're done with Knox!
― Walter Galt, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 16:16 (eleven years ago) link
Can't she refuse to defend herself? Now that she's back in the USA I mean?
― the so-called socialista (dowd), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 01:30 (eleven years ago) link
she could get extradited
― the late great, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 01:42 (eleven years ago) link
extradition between europe and the US is kinda one way
― Kontuszówka reverie (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 March 2013 01:43 (eleven years ago) link
She won't get extradited. US won't allow it because of double jeopardy.
― Gukbe, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 01:44 (eleven years ago) link
Yeh, no way is she serving time now. Italian courts often hold trials without the defendant but being present eg. Berlusconi's trials.
― give me back my 200 dollars (NotEnough), Thursday, 28 March 2013 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
Presumably the Italian guy is fucked though...
― Matt DC, Thursday, 28 March 2013 15:10 (eleven years ago) link
#AmandaKnoxABC
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 02:07 (eleven years ago) link
this was the stupidest trial ever. the case against her never made sense to me.
― rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 02:12 (eleven years ago) link
someone shd compare & contrast how abc portrays the story here vs how they did 5 yrs ago
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 02:24 (eleven years ago) link
now shes playing cat power cover songs how is she not in jail
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 02:56 (eleven years ago) link
cat power is awesome
― rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 02:58 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ Diane Sawyer "hard as it is to imagine, people DO sometimes give false confessions."
― rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 05:56 (eleven years ago) link
like, she was in a stressful situation. it's not at all hard to imagine.
― rock 'em sock 'em (Treeship), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 05:58 (eleven years ago) link
Knox and Sollecito found guilty this go-around. Sad interview with Kercher's brother and sister. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25941999
― ljubljana, Friday, 31 January 2014 00:35 (ten years ago) link
Goddamn Italy has a kangaroo court justice system. No way this woman should be extradited. What a joke.
― Prince Kajuku (Bill Magill), Friday, 31 January 2014 02:01 (ten years ago) link
I'm totally out of touch with this. What's the most reasonable position on what actually happened?
― cardamon, Friday, 31 January 2014 02:10 (ten years ago) link
this is still going on? wtf italy!?
― mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Friday, 31 January 2014 02:10 (ten years ago) link
Cardamom, there was a guy who broke into the apartment and robbed them who pleaded guilty to murdering her. The evidence against him was, i think, stronger than against knox.
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Friday, 31 January 2014 02:12 (ten years ago) link
Ah yeah - now I remember. Was there something about her being involved with the robber in some way?
(What I'm doing here is prob very annoying as I could surely google all this, ffs, but secretly I want to know what ilx people think about this)
― cardamon, Friday, 31 January 2014 02:44 (ten years ago) link
The robber scenario is totally separate from the knox/sollecito(sp?) scenario but all accused parties have been found guilty. That's the central absurdity of this thing.
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Friday, 31 January 2014 03:24 (ten years ago) link
Knox should never step foot into Canada or Mexico again.
― Prince Kajuku (Bill Magill), Friday, 31 January 2014 03:26 (ten years ago) link
iirc the prosecutor is some sort of tabloid-driven conspiracy magnet? it all seems kind of fucked up and based more on what makes an interesting court narrative than the truth
― mh, Friday, 31 January 2014 04:04 (ten years ago) link
This sort of reminds me of how those (4? 5?) Australians are being threatened with being put on trial remotely whether they like it or not in South America cos the cops there claim they pushed some guy off a balcony when it is so screamingly obvious even in pics it wasnt possble (and they werent actually there at the time).
― the Bronski Review (Trayce), Friday, 31 January 2014 04:10 (ten years ago) link
http://www.smh.com.au/world/framed-for-murder-20130812-2rqxg.html
― the Bronski Review (Trayce), Friday, 31 January 2014 04:12 (ten years ago) link
sooooo i've just been reading one of these kook-ball "WE present the REAL STORY" web sites and i've done a total 180 on this, just as the authors intended; it sure does seem like sollecito at least was there
also reading the details again is horrifying
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 01:17 (ten years ago) link
the whole thing is so addicting if you have an appetite for mysteries; it reminds me of intense wave of newsgroup "fact"-marshalling around the OJ trial, vast armies with their favorite pieces of pet evidence
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 01:27 (ten years ago) link
link please?
― piscesx, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 02:56 (ten years ago) link
it's at the obviously unbiased "truejustice.org"
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 09:15 (ten years ago) link
Criminal justice in Europe is generally a disaster. Defense attorney culture was wiped out in WWII, and the inquisitorial legal system has become over the decades a rubber stamp for the State's Attorneys. This is not that big a deal where the SAs are professional and serious people -- but that will differ from province to province, let alone nation to nation -- and sentences are generally lighter than in the Anglo-American system, so that the unofficial but real tendency is to convict where there is any doubt in absolute innocence, because what's the harm? The harm is that the tendency towards heavier punishment is solidly on the march throughout Europe, and that common law countries have to figure out what to do with conviction from other nations they have treaties with that would never have been convictions in the common law country.
― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 10:24 (ten years ago) link
Americans berating the legal system of other countries is a constant source of hilarity
― zonal snarking (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 13:31 (ten years ago) link
http://politicalblindspot.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/17.jpg"I know, right?"
― the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 14:26 (ten years ago) link
Yes, Yes, Florida's acquittal of George Zimmerman disqualifies all Americans from criticizing one of our citizens from being tried three times, and acquitted once, by a kangaroo court that allowed psychic testimony and already has the murder behind bars. We get it, blah blah blah blah
― Prince Kajuku (Bill Magill), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 15:34 (ten years ago) link
...the murderer behind bars...
dang, Bill pretty on point here
― mh, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 16:14 (ten years ago) link
i wasnae thinking of one trial tbh
any criticisms of the Kercher case - and i'm sure there are many valid ones - ought to be made from a standpoint that doesn't try to compare Italy's justice system with yr own morally corrupt, racist, murderous justice system tho. ours is reasonably morally corrupt and racist too tbf
― zonal snarking (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 16:23 (ten years ago) link
there's also a fair leap from "these trials have been conducted in such a way as to make any conviction completely unsafe" and "yay Knox is totally innocent no question", so to say "the murderer is behind bars" is a bit of a stretch
― zonal snarking (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 16:26 (ten years ago) link
well, there's innocence before the law and innocence in the sense of whether or not you did commit the crime
― mh, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 16:29 (ten years ago) link
"Americans berating the legal system of other countries is a constant source of hilarity"
So's your red nose, floppy shoes, and rainbow wig, you clown.
1. I haven't been an American for over a decade. 2. I spent a year on a Robert Bosch Fellowship studying comparative criminal law, including internships with a private defense attorney and at the German Justice Ministry, and was the negotiation team for the Germans in negotiations on an EU criminal law cooperation treaty. 3. I am specifically contrasting the civil law legal systems of continental Europe with common law systems such as the US, the UK, canada, etc. 4. In most of Europe, Zimmerman would never have been brought to trial, following a years'-long and terribly expensive "investigation". 5. Wannabe progressives who think criminal prosecutors are allies in the fight for justice are, consciously or unconsciously, white supremacist elitist dopes. 6. Your rainbow wig isn't actually that funny.
― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 16:30 (ten years ago) link
again: i agree there are serious problems with the legal system in many European countries. to contrast the US and UK as models of "getting it right" is pretty fucken laughable to me
― zonal snarking (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 16:35 (ten years ago) link
Goody for you! Who's suggesting that?
― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 16:37 (ten years ago) link
any criticisms of the Kercher case - and i'm sure there are many valid ones - ought to be made from a standpoint that doesn't try to compare Italy's justice system with yr own morally corrupt, racist, murderous justice system tho.
yeah I think everyone has just been pointing what is fucked up, not holding up anyone else's as an ideal
I mean unless you want to go on about the positives of the Italian justice system and how this is an amazing outlier and how it is better than other systems
― mh, Tuesday, 4 February 2014 17:00 (ten years ago) link
5. Wannabe progressives who think criminal prosecutors are allies in the fight for justice are
Who did you have in mind here?
― UK Cop Humour (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 4 February 2014 17:02 (ten years ago) link